I guess you can call a 2011 a 1911. But I don't.
Interested to know what exactly you would call it?
In reality, the grip frame has been lopped off a 1911 and a poly frame attached.
I guess you can call a 2011 a 1911. But I don't.
The writing was already on the wall to move away from the link, with one of his last invention/patents. The P35/BHP is definitely the Grand Daddy of the "modern gun".
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Interested to know what exactly you would call it?
In reality, the grip frame has been lopped off a 1911 and a poly frame attached.
2011.
Good grief people!
Almost every successful locked-breech semi-auto pistol out there is a 1911 derivative! There aren't very many rotating barrel, short recoil pistols out there, and very few gas operated pistols (and REALLY few long recoil pistols)!
Is a GLOCK a 1911 derivative? Yes.
Single stack? No
Hammer? No
Single action? No
Steel frame? No
Safety? No.
Beautifully designed gracefully curved aesthetics and ergonomics? No (give me a second to find my asbestos suit...)
Swinging link? (in my mind, this is actually the biggest difference between a 1911 and a GLOCK).... wait for it.... NO!
How is it a derivative? It's a Browning-designed tilting breech! Without SOMEONE figuring out that tilting breech, we'd be stuck with rotating barrels (which are probably conceptually fine, they just haven't taken off). And yes, this is definitely the most important facet of handgun design. We've got to contain the pressure somehow.
Just because we (well... Browning) figured out that it is better to not use the swinging link and use an inclined plane instead to lower the breech doesn't mean that the concept of locking the barrel to the slide was new to... well... anyone after Browning. This guy even patented the slide on a pistol (I know, not the 1911, but still one of his designs). I can't find any earlier successful semi-auto pistols that use a tilting breech. If you know of any, please tell me. Really, I want to know. 'Cause I'm a nerd.
So... are we are upset that the Sig won the army trials? Well...
Are we upset that there are other pistols that do well in competitions?
Are we upset that some people like ugly chunks of plastic for carry/competition/duty?
They are all 1911s! Just in various stages of un-1911-liness. Grandkids, you might say. If someone has an earlier design for the tilting breech I need to know about, I'll call them cousins three or four times removed instead of grandkids.
BUT! Until you take away the tilting breech, you are going to have a tough time convincing me that it is not a 1911 derivative.
This whole thread is pointless. But good on the Philippines for using domestic industry. A society that doesn't produce something falls into insignificance and dependence on others.
Nobody shoots and Glock and thinks, "Oh, another 1911."