357 Magnum has become pointless... for me.

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It's a small club you belong to but you are definitely not alone. I've never had any affection for the .357Mag. I have affection for some of the guns that chamber it but this is in spite of the cartridge. I love the .38Spl and think there is little better in this world than a nice K-38 but the .357 is far too little bite for so much bark. It absolutely requires velocity to be effective. I prefer the diameter, mass and laid-back nature of a moderately loaded big bore cartridge over anything possible in the .357. It gets the job done without making my ears bleed. I love the N-frame 27/28 and the Old Model Blackhawk in this chambering but for me, the best thing they offer, is the ability to be rechambered to something more useful. I realize this is contrary to 99% of shooters but that is just fine.


I love 357, it does a great job at being a hoot to shoot. I don't like shooting auto cartridges in revolvers. I'd rather a 357 or a 41 over the 40 or 10mm. I feel moon clips are a mistake and would not use a firearm which relied on such an accoutrement.

The beauty of revolvers, to me, is the simplicity and reliability of the operation. Autoloader cartridges diminish that strength. A 10mm might be ballistically superior to a 357, but if I'm going 10mm I'm going Glock and would never consider a gp100 or other revolver in that chambering.

It is strange to me to see esteemed posters espouse the inseparability of cartridge and platform to justify a 10mm gp100 over a 41 redhawk by saying platform matters and gp100 is best power/weight ratio, while at the same time not cutting to the chase and getting a Glock 10mm instead of either revolver.

If you don't like the unique strengths and sentimentality of revolvers enough to use a revolver cartridge, why use revolvers? In the OPs case it seems the only justification is the contrivances which arise in structured competion, which is to say that 45acp in a revolver is a valid choice if you're trying to hit a certain power factor rather than "real shooting" considerations.

In the end I prefer a 38spl, 357 mag, 44 mag, or 45 colt over any autoloader cartridge chambering.
Okaaaay. So if you want a 10mm you should just buy a Glock? If the chambering relative to the platform matters, just buy a Glock??? This logic is impossible to follow. I bought my first Glock in 1991 and shot them for 15yrs. There are myriad reasons why I no longer own any and I will not go into them here but suffice to say that your comment makes absolutely no sense to me. If I wanted a Glock, I wouldn't have sold or traded the ones I have. I did buy the new Springfield XDM 10mm but I hope I don't have to explain to this group why one would choose a blued steel revolver over a polymer framed auto. :confused:

I like the 10mm GP. I like it for the same reasons one might choose a GP over a Redhawk for any purpose. The 10mm over the .357 just increases that gap because it's even lighter. The 10mm is an incremental increase over the .357 but it's more of what I value and less of what I don't. That being diameter and mass over velocity. A .357 will never fire a 220gr .401" cast bullet. Yes, I do wish there was a rimmed alternative but there is not. With proper tools, moon clips are little more trouble than loading magazines and easier than chasing brass.
 
I would argue that a 357 revolver might just be the most versatile revolver around. I have a SAA in 357, and I can load really light 38 specials that my daughter can shoot all day and have fun with, I can load 38 +P for plinking at longer distances and I can load full throttle 357’s and have the ability to take down anything I may come across in the woods on our land. I’d argue that’s a pretty good deal for 1 revolver.
 
The .357 is what I reach for when I'm going out into the woods and no knowing what I might run into. Out of a 5.5" Blackhawk, it's a good thumper. If you made me pick one gun to head for the hills with, it would be my .357/9mm blackhawk convertible.

That said, man what an ear splitting concussive round. I would only light one off without ear protection in the most dire of situations. 99% of the time the .38 would do the trick.

Having stumbled into .45apc in a snub nose, I find the lower recoil and less harsh report to be a better day to day self defense round.

In short, the .357 is a capable man stopper. It's a cartridge I would stake my life upon. However, I prefer others over the .357 by a good margin.

The ear splitting part is why I don't hunt with it also. My first two revolver where the Ruger Blackhawk in 357/38/9mm bought when Ohio started to allowing deer hunting with a revolver and wanted to give it a go. I did hunting a few times with it back then but never seriously. A couple years later I bought the S&W 610 to use in USPSA. This worked well since I could use the same 40S&W ammo I was already loading from my Limited/Limited-10 guns in my new revolver. When I finally came back to the idea of deer hunting with a revolver my collection has expanded a fair bit and in playing around with it I found that the 10mm from the 610 was ballstically on par with 357 Magnum from the Blackhawk or 627 but when fired with unprotected ears the 10mm was painful but did not leave my ears ringing. The 357 Magnum was more painful and left my ears ringing for hours the one time I fired it without ear-pro. Coupled that with the fact that I had shot the 610 in competition by this point for many years it was the natural choices. Three years ago I took two does with my 610 about 45 seconds apart. I could have done similar with the 627 though my ears hurt to imagine it and I don't think I could have taken both in that situation with the Blackhawk.

After looking at your list of revolvers and what you do with them I think it's a fantastic idea that you don't bother with the 357 cartridge anymore. You don't really do anything demanding with any of those firearms accuracy wise. Chose lesser caliber/firearms (38spl vs 357) for your personal protection, if you're lucky enough to survive you'll find out 1st hand the difference between the 2.

More likely than not you'll have another epiphany and 2 of those 3 revolvers you bought to play a game with will no longer be needed because that m29 can do anything the 610 and 625 can & do it better.

I can see how it would be beneficial for you to reload 5 different cartridges to do the same thing a 357 can. But yet the cartridges you choose use/reload can't do everything a 357 can. Myself I'd of never bought a 10mm revolver & it would be the 1st thing to go. But then again I don't choose a 38spl over a 357 when what really matters is on the line either.

I have never had an accuracy issue with any of my revolvers once I have worked up loads for them. I have never found 357 Magnum more or less accurate than the other cartridges I have owned in revolvers.

I have read all the arguments of 357 Mag vs 38 Special in a snub nose revolver as a defensive firearm. I have shot both and I am very comfortable with the fact that my S&W 442 will perform better for me than 357 Magnum would from a similar size/weight revolver. I am confident I can hit what needs hit with my 442 and I am confident my hands will be functional enough to reload it if I need to in a conflict. I am certain I could not do the same with a similar weight revolver firing 357 Magnum, I have tried. Others may not have the same limitations.

I love my M29 even though I have only owned it for about 6-months now but it will never be able to do some of the things I can do with my 625 and 610 or 627. The 625 is by far the fastest and most fumble free reloading revolver I have ever run. Even if I have my M29 cut for moonclips and run short brass it will not be as robust or fast as the 625. They are very different animals. My 625/627 and to a lesser degree the 610 are gamer guns for me. They play the games I play far better than the M29 ever could and do it far more economically. I have a 5-gallon bucket of 45 ACP brass I have collected for free over the years. That much 44 Mag/Special/Russian brass would be a real investment. Similarly moonclips for 45 ACP are dirt cheap moonclips for 44 Mag are noticeable more expensive, harder to find and more finicky about what brass works well with them. Just about any 45 ACP brass works well in my 45 ACP moonclips. The 625 is simply the most fun revolver I own and despite it no longer being the optimal USPSA revolver I still shoot it at club level matches simply for the joy of running it.

It really is that 357 Magnum can't do it. It the fact that for a particular task I have cartridges that do it better.

I would argue that a 357 revolver might just be the most versatile revolver around. I have a SAA in 357, and I can load really light 38 specials that my daughter can shoot all day and have fun with, I can load 38 +P for plinking at longer distances and I can load full throttle 357’s and have the ability to take down anything I may come across in the woods on our land. I’d argue that’s a pretty good deal for 1 revolver.

I wholeheartedly agree. The 357 Magnum is a very versatile cartridge and if I was going to own just one revolver it would be near the top of the list. (although presently a medium frame revolver (GP100 or L-frame) in 10mm would rank number one for me.)

That said I am not stuck with just one revolver. I have a modest collection and thus for any particular activity I have found other cartridges that do it better than 357 Magnum.

For CCW I choose 38 Special +P. Certainly I could have bought a 357 Magnum and just shoot 38's in it but why waste the money when I know I am never going to run 357 Magnum in an airweight revolver. I have tried and found it unsuitable for me. I bought a 38 Special +P revolver and used the savings to buy other things I needed.

For woods carry and for hunting I simple find 357 Magnum to abusive to my ears for unprotected shooting that happens in these activities. In middle TN where I roam in the woods 38 Special (not even +P) kills everything I need to kill in a non-hunting situation. The biggest thing I have killed so far has been an Armadillo. For hunting my 10mm revolver has proven itself quite satisfactory. The new 44 Mag is ballistically superior and in my particular case my 610 and M29 are nearly identical configurations and I have only to experiment with shooting my current load with unprotected ears to see if that is going to be an issue next year.

And for my games. 357 Magnum is simply not competitive in any of the games I like to play. USPSA/IDPA/Steel-Challenge and similar. I am sure there are some games where it excels but none come to mind and obviously I am not competing in them.

-rambling

PS Thanks for all the excellent replies. I have enjoyed them all even if I did not directly reply to them.
 
The ear splitting part is why I don't hunt with it also.
My first experience with .357 Mag was with 125 Gr JHPs screaming downrange with the muzzle blast and ear splitting sound to go with them all while not using ear muffs because so long ago we were ignorant about hearing loss. Didn't like it one bit.

It wasn't very long before I started using ear muffs, and then later discovered 158s in .357 mag, then started reloading and so then I could load .357 Mag from very light to reasonably stout to suit my wants/needs.
 
I agree with those who wouldn’t want to use 357 for SD due to the noise. Particularly indoors! It’s the same reason I prefer 32 H&R over 327 for indoors/SD.

I wouldn’t mind using 44 special for an indoor/SD gun but I really like the extra capacity you can get in a similar sized revolver that is chambered for 357/38 or even 9 mm for that matter.

My bedside gun is a 686+ with a 2.5 inch barrel. It may seem silly but I feel much better having 7 rounds of 38 over the 5 rounds of 44 special or 6 rounds of 10 mm that I could have in the same frame size. It’s just my preference and I understand why others would choose differently.
 
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I've got two 686s a Ruger SP101, and a Henry all in 357. I love them all. That being said, I don't need any more 357's.

For most applications anymore I prefer larger and heavier bullets.
 
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I totally get the ear splitting aspect. If I’m carrying it when out on our land, the odds of having to use it are very slim. And in the case that I would, at least I’m outside and hopefully won’t need more than 1, maybe 2 shots. If I’m hunting with it, I’ll put in ear plugs. So I guess the noise of it isn’t too much of a factor.
 
I'm not going to argue for or against the caliber. I like it so it isn't pointless for me. I own three different revolvers chambered for it and they are not going anywhere. If you don't want one for some reason that's your business.
 
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I'm in the "paper targets don't need a lot of killing" camp as well. A few cylinders of 357 is fun, but the noise and recoil can get annoying pretty quickly.

I really like the GP-100 for target shooting, as it really tames the kick of the 357, and you can drop 38s into it and plink with all the recoil of a 22. It allows you to have that few cylinders of fun with your 357s, and then shoot up a bunch of 38s afterwards with the same pistol. Good stuff.
 
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Am I the only one that has no love for 357 Magnum?

I’ve never been a fan, and I have never seen much utility in a full size 357mag. I started hunting with a borrowed 357mag S&W 27 over 27yrs ago, and at the first chance I could afford it, I bought a 44mag. I’ve taken a lot of deer over the years since with 357’s, enough to understand the gross limitations of the round. Far too much recoil for far too little performance on game.

.357mag is a snubnose cartridge for me, and not my favorite at that. When I carry an SP101, 60, or LCR, I stoke it with 357mags, but I rarely carry a revolver instead of a bottom feeder.

For the money, a guy is far better served by a 44mag than a 357mag. Hard pass on full size 357’s for me.
 
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How many more decimals are 357 vs somewhat comparable 38, 9mm, 40s&w, 45 acp, 10mm? Anyone have facts on this? I'm surprised no YouTuber has ever done a video on this...

I don't worry about noise for my carry gun... I worry most about performance.. At the range, I can use hearing protection. In a self defense situation, more more worried about saving my life vs saving my hearing... If a 357 round preforms better and has better ballistics, I'll carry that before a 38 special...
 
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I’ve never understood how anyone can claim .357mag revolvers are “versatile.”

The only explanation I can infer is these claimants haven’t ever tried to use one for very much and are easily impressed.
Versatile because there are 38 special loads that are mild and much like a 380, and buffalo bore 357s that are more powerful than anything youll find in any normal semi auto (i dont consider desert eagles "normal"). Sounds versatile to me.
 
@Obturation - despite all of that spread in velocity, what can you really do with a full size 357mag? At its best, it’s a paltry performer on anything but paper. Excessive recoil for small game as it is, but not enough oomph to take deer and hog sized game efficiently outside of the shortest of ranges, and only in the most ideal of circumstances. So you have a paper puncher, bunny gun, and highly restricted deer and hog revolver - not very versatile in my book.

A 44mag platform with light charges under 165’s, even down in 44 Russian cases if you prefer, will recoil about the same as the 38’s you mention, making a very manageable and pleasurable bunny load, but pouring on the powder allows the same revolver to work up through any animal on the planet without concession.

So what’s versatile about it?
 
I'm on my 4th 357 handgun. Three have moved on. Looking to get another one sometime in the near future. I got a rifle now. I will probably only keep one 357 handgun at a time, as I don't plan on conceal carrying one. We'll carry 38 Spl when packing a revolver.

I mainly enjoy reloading for the 357, whether for light, medium, or magnum loads. Lead, plated, or jacketed. All for target shooting. As I don't hunt or compete. It's fun to see what I can get out of each load. And almost every vendor carries the 357 caliber, so there is usually a selection if I'm ordering bullets. Not so much with 44 cal. bullets.

So, really I have no practical use for the 357 magnum, but only to savor the moments. :)
 
Never cared for .357 mag.
Preferred larger or smaller.
But arthritis and hearing loss............says no more .44 mags for me.
I don't really target shoot anymore, find it boring.
Shot an 8 pt with 357...........big whoop dee doo.

Might like a 340 PD smith for CC.
Or a performance center N frame if hunting (for red dot mount).
But my current hunting spots not as good as the old ones, so really shouldn't be screwing around with handguns.

I did think about a 12" Contender bbl in .357 mag........for yotes n deer.
Thought about it anyway LOL
 
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The .357 can be had in smaller frames.
I like an N frame smith a lot, but for me they are SA rigs only.
K frames I can do DA pretty good.
Do think .357 mag a 50 yard deer cartridge in handgun.
.44 mag good to 100.
Most folks can't shoot well enough past 50 with a handgun.........so cartridge might be silly to argue.
The point that the .357 is low recoil, could be a plus.
 
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We might fall down the caliber debate rabbit hole but ballistically speaking I am not seeing much difference between heavy for caliber 10mm Auto and 357 Mag in similar barrel length. My decision to use my 610 over my 627 or Blackhawk was due to a combination of noise and shoot-ability not terminal ballistics. A 180gr 357 bullet doing 1300 fps from a 357 Magnum is going to do about the same to a deer that my 200gr 10mm @1250 fps did. Both are just shy of 700 ft-lbs. Assuming a quality bullet and proper marksmanship I can't see either performing better or worst than the other and both are more than adequate for whitetail deer IMHO, again assuming good bullet and good marksmanship.

ETA: Me, my 610, and two nice does in one morning in late 2016
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Did not feel undergunned.
Just over 50 yards.
Facing away.
I spined him on purpose (bullet stopped in his nose)
He wouldn't move and his neck was exposed so I said screw it and popped him.
That what a .357 allows...........like shooting a .22 rf.............low recoil, better placement ;)
I can do .44 mags well, but I gotta work at it.
.357 is no big deal
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Hate to admit it, but dang near any handgun outside of personal protection, is pointless for me.
I don't hunt as much as I used to and my good spots gone.
Used to squirrel hunt w .22 handgun. Now I just shoot pineys as varmints once in a great while.
That be a rifle affair (damn they're fast). LOL

A small .357 or 9mm auto would be a good mid sized rig.
 
My dad loves his 8 3/8" Smith 686 for IHMSA.
Can run in big bore and field pistol.
 
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