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Just because you criticize the NRA does not mean you are against it or want it gone. I think it would make the organization stronger if some of the criticisms in this thread were addressed.
 
1KPerDay said:
Would you voluntarily resign from a $3M/yr job or whatever it is?
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Maybe because said job has made you one of the most hated men in the US.

Remember Jihadi Wayne? A massive part of this country views him that way.

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There no amount of money that I could be offered to let me and my family be treated like that.
 
BSA1 said:
I did not realize until after the BATF change it’s ruling on Bump-Fire Stocks how many Americans own them. I considered them to be a niche item owned by a small segment of shooters. It appears that both President Trump and myself made the same faulty assumption. Given how popular AR’s I failed to realize how many AR shooters own Bump-Fire stocks.

I am extremely pro-2A and against almost all gun restrictions but the reality is we as gun owners were going to take a hit on the greatest mass shooting in our Countries history. The President may have figured it was best to cut our loses with the ban and get the issue off of the table so it can not be used against Republicans in the upcoming elections. In this respect he was successful.

The NRA is catching a lot of flak for not coming out stronger against a Bump-Fire ban. I personally think they made the right decision as three Gun Control bills have passed the House and are currently tied up in the Senate. There are a lot of attacks across the county against Gun Rights and the NRA, GOA and other groups must pick their fights carefully. We can already see the drain on the GOA’s finances as a result of their lawsuit.

The NRA is having difficulties and is under a well funded and organized attacks.

So you and other former Bump-Fire stock owners will have to decide whether it is in your best interests to abandon the NRA and to vote for one of the other candidates for President. That is only a deeply personal secret decision you can make.
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Thanks for the reasoned and well-thought reply. One clarification: I am not a bump stock owner. Never have been, and probably never would have been. I tend to be sympathetic to civil libertarianism, whether or not the freedom in question is one I would exercise. I've had a very good run in life and been given more than I deserve, and I now would like the remainder of my political life to preserve freedom for others now and in the future. I've also never been stopped/frisked and probably never will be as a white male, but I'm against that practice as well (not trying to derail the discussion, but offering another example of my thinking).

The more concerning 2A implication of the bump stock ban to me is the precedent it set. When the ball is in the other court, I would not be surprised if braces were the next to go, perhaps followed by standard capacity magazines.

Combining the above with Trump's lack of pro-2A action and his desire to "take the guns first, then due process second" I could not support him any more than I could any other anti-gun politician.

You mentioned antigun bills currently in congress -- this, despite rolling over on bump stocks. So other than setting a precedent for further erosion of 2A, we've gained nothing and lost another step IMO. And the whole time, the NRA was a tacit supporter and silent viewer. They continue to do nothing to oppose the very clear and present danger to the Second Amendment, and IMO aren't providing value for the dollar.
 
rpenmanparker said:
Should I fight attacks on aspects of the 2A that have no relevance for me? Or should I let my own interests be my guide. For example, I have no use for assault weapons. I could care less what happens to them. It will never matter to me. Do I have to fight for them because I believe in private gun ownership and a AWB is on the slippery slope. I dunno. I’m open to reason but so far not convinced.
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Complete and total FUDD.

You don't seem to understand that the goal of the Leftists is TOTAL AND COMPLETE disarmament of the American people.

BTW, there's no such thing as an "assault weapon".

We're now seeing the Leftists calling for the removal of "weapons of war" from our streets. Since bolt action rifles and revolvers have been used in warfare they are calling for their removal.
 
rpenmanparker said:
You are not going to like this, but if that is the worst Kamala Harris would do, it ain’t too bad at all. If that is the price of an honest, truthful, socially conscious and economically intelligent president, I would pay that in a heartbeat. Background checks? C’mon. That isn’t even a serious attack on the 2A. Not in my book anyway.
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Kamala? Lol, May God Help us. Another Obama, but this one in a skirt. Her economics? Lol, What do you mean, as in give away the whole house with grants and fee money. And she will do more than just background checks. That is just the start. She will go after guns more than any other the others running. If Obama had been left in office, he would have destroyed this country. Harris will take over where he left off. Trump has provided more jobs than any other President in years. Forget the free giveaway's. Put people to work. Yes, good soiid jobs and get over this nonsense of free rides.
 
Texas10mm said:
Complete and total FUDD.

You don't seem to understand that the goal of the Leftists is TOTAL AND COMPLETE disarmament of the American people.

BTW, there's no such thing as an "assault weapon".

We're now seeing the Leftists calling for the removal of "weapons of war" from our streets. Since bolt action rifles and revolvers have been used in warfare they are calling for their removal.
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I don’t see it that way. You are right about that.
 
Texas10mm said:
Complete and total FUDD.

You don't seem to understand that the goal of the Leftists is TOTAL AND COMPLETE disarmament of the American people.

BTW, there's no such thing as an "assault weapon".

We're now seeing the Leftists calling for the removal of "weapons of war" from our streets. Since bolt action rifles and revolvers have been used in warfare they are calling for their removal.
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Actually the term assault weapon comes from the German military in we2 with their stg44. Now it’s wrongly used to refer to black semi automatic weapons. Btw my SMLE and Garand we’re both probably used in assaults. But they’re ok, they’re not black which makes them shootier
 
rpenmanparker said:
Should I fight attacks on aspects of the 2A that have no relevance for me? Or should I let my own interests be my guide. For example, I have no use for assault weapons. I could care less what happens to them. It will never matter to me. Do I have to fight for them because I believe in private gun ownership and a AWB is on the slippery slope. I dunno. I’m open to reason but so far not convinced.
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Should you fight attacks on speech or religion that have no relevance to you? I would argue you should.

To paraphrase: “First they came for the AR-15s, but since I didn’t have an AR-15 I remained silent.”
 
There is an old saying in American politics. If you want to live like a Republican, vote like a Democrat. It is Obama who put us on our way to this economy. And it is Obama's policies that Trump keeps asking the Fed to continue. Obama saved your bacon literally. And how do you thank him?
 
rpenmanparker said:
There is an old saying in American politics. If you want to live like a Republican, vote like a Democrat. It is Obama who put us on our way to this economy. And it is Obama's policies that Trump keeps asking the Fed to continue. Obama saved your bacon literally. And how do you thank him?
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If Obama had done ANYTHING to get the economy going, today would be 2011, not 2019. Obama was in WAY OVER HIS HEAD.

There. Now, either this post will be deleted, or I will have gotten this thread locked.:neener:
 
bds said:
I believe next test for NRA is the binary trigger.
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Which, I believe, has already been the subject of some proposed legislative action in some states (no traction as yet), though it won't become higher profile until the next legislative sessions … and the ramp-up for the next general election.

If Lapierre sold out on the bump stocks, how can he possibly stand against prohibitions on binary triggers (arguably a more effective, though lesser-known except in the gun community, system than bump stocks)?

AlexanderA said:
The reason is simple: to beat Trump, the Democrats must carry the Rust Belt states of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and/or the Sun Belt states of Florida and Arizona. You can't win any of those states if you piss off gun owners, of whom there are plenty.
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One might actually agree here, and the fact that there's been noticeable improvement in the economy of at least a couple of the midwestern states during this administration might also come into play, the president's theatrics notwithstanding ...
 
To keep this focused on lapierre, he is the face of the NRA to its membership and has been since I was a young kid.

1. Jackbooted thugs

2. Video games are to blame for mass shootings

3. Socialism is evil. (He really sounds like an elitist plutocrat, which in the end doesn’t seem better than socialism)

4. He’s failed to make a coalition that bridges both major political parties and that will be our downfall as 2A proponents

5. He’s tied himself to a populist in Trump and acquiesced to the bump stock ban.

6. The NRA is synonymous with Republicans for many. When a populist trend hits gun rights and Republicans see enough of their constituents clamoring for gun control, where does the NRA go from there? Nowhere.

7. Lapierre is a politician and has been unnecessarily divisive to more than half of America.

8. I think lapierre has stoked the gun debate fires for revenue, and he keeps sending me letters saying the NRA is going away if I don’t send money.
 
Tommygunn said:
If Obama had done ANYTHING to get the economy going, today would be 2011, not 2019. Obama was in WAY OVER HIS HEAD.

There. Now, either this post will be deleted, or I will have gotten this thread locked.:neener:
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Look at a plot of employment against time. The line is dead straight at the same slope from shortly after Obama’s inauguration until today. If you take the dates off the graph you cannot tell me when Trump took office.
 
rpenmanparker said:
Look at a plot of employment against time. The line is dead straight at the same slope from shortly after Obama’s inauguration until today. If you take the dates off the graph you cannot tell me when Trump took office.
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Trump removed a great deal of govt regulation, which, along with other policies, kick started the economy. Friday we found out we've had a 3.2% GDP growth. Obama had a few spurts, and it's true he avoided a repeat recession, but the economy was really pretty stagnant.
No business person, or financial analyst, I've talked to in the past decade or so credits Obama with anything really positive at all, graphs notwithstanding.
 
The good news is this Country will never allow another Obama in office again. We might as well vote for a Iranian Govt. Official to be President. And we learned one thing along the way. We need a President that Understands business. A person that Can run a Country like a business and make a profit rather than try and Bankrupt the Country. And Trump has been more Proactive for 2nd amendment rights than any President in My lifetime. More Jobs, tough stand on Foreign Countries eating our lunch.
And as far as 2nd amendment rights. We cannot afford to loose him. He is a Strong leader and Liberals hate Strong leaders. And Trump scares them.

Tommygun, they do credit him with allowing Iran to go unchecked in Nuclear progress. To the point that he just became downright scary and everyone questioned his motives and what Country he was really for. Harris, would be a diaster. From roots in Oakland California to headquarters in Baltimore. That alone should tell you something about her feeling for gun control.
 
How about we just start off with Judges, or how about this for starters
December 18, 2018—President Trump's commission on school safety released its final report, which among other positive recommendations, called for more armed guards in schools, ending an Obama Administration race-based school discipline policy, and argued against raising the minimum age to buy a gun, rather than calling for more gun control.

And one thing for certain, is the word "Support". And never forget this.

While the following achievements were not official United States government policy actions by the Trump Administration, they were closely related to the Trump Administration and its policies:

  • President Trump continued making statements in support of Second Amendment rights.[48]
  • April 26, 2019—President Trump and Vice President Pence[49] spoke again at the NRA's annual convention. This was the third time in a row as U.S. president that Trump spoke at the convention
There are many places to look for Trumps acheivement for support of the 2nd amendment right. Easy to find them. Go to the NRA and seek.

Just one example.

https://www.conservapedia.com/Donald_Trump_achievements:_Gun_rights
 
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La Pierre and the NRA have serious problems. The prosecutor of the state of New York is investigating the NRA for tax-exempt charter violations. La Pierre opened a big can of worms by ranting about stuff outside the NRA charter. The prosecutor will leave no stone unturned and no skeletons un hidden.

Sooner or later La Pierre will be going away; it won't be pretty. .

"Spies asked Marc Owens, who served for 10 years as the head of the Internal Revenue Service division that oversees tax-exempt enterprises, to review the records he obtained. “The materials reflect one of the broadest arrays of likely transgressions that I’ve ever seen,” Owens said. “There is a tremendous range of what appears to be the misuse of assets for the benefit of certain vendors and people in control.” He added that the apparent abuses could lead to the revocation of the NRA’s tax-exempt status."

https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/new-york-opens-investigation-into-nra-tax-exempt-status/
 
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