Deanimator
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There were times in the recent past when I could barely pay the rent.
You think I'm doing gratis building upgrades for my landlord?
Video: Home Invaders Run From AR-15 Pointed At Them
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This shows something I have told others for years, it’s always a benefit to know what’s outside your house before it’s inside.
When we lived in the city I had motion sensors with “pet lenses” in them so I knew when anything larger than a small animal was approaching the home.
Had a door bell chime that worked to two. “Ding, dong” was the front door and “dong” was motion.
Now we live in a more remote area and have even more time due to increased distance of anything approaching the home.
When we lived in the city I had motion sensors with “pet lenses” in them so I knew when anything larger than a small animal was approaching the home.
Had a door bell chime that worked to two. “Ding, dong” was the front door and “dong” was motion.
Now we live in a more remote area and have even more time due to increased distance of anything approaching the home.
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Running away was the smartest decision they’ve made in their lives thus far.
Speedo66
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When I lived in an apt. I made changes that benefited me despite the landlord. In that case, just better locks might have made the difference.
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CDMCKY
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The AR-15 5.56x45 is a great self defense weapon, but not the best choice in an apartment
building with neighbors so close. I've an arsenal of weapons (several AR's in calibers up to
.450 Bushmaster), but I prefer a 7+1, 12 ga. pump with pistol grip for close quarters home
defense. I would use a AR-15 for home defense if it had a subsonic pistol round, (or use an
actual pistol), but not a high velocity/penetration rifle caliber.
Also, had I been the fellow with the AR in the video, I would have shot the intruder as soon
as he breached the door, and was entering.
building with neighbors so close. I've an arsenal of weapons (several AR's in calibers up to
.450 Bushmaster), but I prefer a 7+1, 12 ga. pump with pistol grip for close quarters home
defense. I would use a AR-15 for home defense if it had a subsonic pistol round, (or use an
actual pistol), but not a high velocity/penetration rifle caliber.
Also, had I been the fellow with the AR in the video, I would have shot the intruder as soon
as he breached the door, and was entering.
theotherwaldo
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When I was an apartment-dweller, my landlord made it quite clear: the doors, locks, windows and everything else belonged to HIM. Any permanent changes would result in eviction plus costs for repairs unless they had been presented to him first.
I believe that this is a common policy in apartments and other rentals.
I believe that this is a common policy in apartments and other rentals.
Tommygunn
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Well .... they are just two guys sharing an apartment, not SEAL TEAM 6.
But, yes, Speedy does need a good talking-to about the matter.
I'm distinctly low-speed and high-drag in my operating (unless the operation is eating). But I know not to run in front of an amped up, terrified, and probably lightly-trained buddy's muzzle!!!
The typical 55 grain load in an AR penetrates less than buck shot or many common pistol loadings.
Double Naught Spy
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No, I thought you would do upgrades for you, instead of getting hung up on the concept that it might somehow be beneficial to somebody else.
Sistema1927
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So, what should they have done? Let the bad guys come in without showing the AR, hoping that they could slug it out with them in a "fair" fight?
Deanimator
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"Upgrades" to somebody else's property that I can't afford?
Deanimator
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Did you make them despite not being able to pay for them?
Speedo66
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I grew up in a city housing project in the Bronx, we weren't exactly rolling in it. But we did manage to install an additional bolt and a heavy duty chain, which were necessities.
Double Naught Spy
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Even if the perps were caught and arrested, then people would know the residents had guns. If the perps were killed by the residents, it would be known they have guns. That they have guns was going to get out one way or another regardless of whether the perps got away.
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I was the same way when I lived in an apartment. Landlord ended up evicting everyone when his rentals started dragging him under. Gave everyone 30 days notice to get out. Thankfully I was still protected by Army JAG who got us 90 days, but I digress.
I made 2 small and important upgrades to the apartment. I replaced the screws in the kick plate to 3" deck screws. I even painted them white to make them look like the crappy ones. And I bought a motion detector at Home Depot for $20 that would turn on whatever you plugged into it. I used a small lamp next to the bed. I put the sensor in a corner of the awning over the front door. Those 2 little things alone were great piece of mind for next to nothing cost wise.
Deanimator
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I have no direct access to the outside and no observation of the outside entrances. The only real measure I could take would be an anti-kick bar between the knob and the floor. Changing the locks without changing the entire door and frame would be a joke.
In response to the OP
https://www.guns.com/news/2019/10/03/boom-crime-drops-as-numbers-of-ar-15s-grow
More ars=less crime??? Hmmmmmm
https://www.guns.com/news/2019/10/03/boom-crime-drops-as-numbers-of-ar-15s-grow
More ars=less crime??? Hmmmmmm
Double Naught Spy
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Cute article, but baseless correlation. I would actually call it totally bogus. The same argument has been used for gun ownership in general, concealed carry permits, etc. Heck you could show that the crime rate is falling because prison incarceration is going up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States
Similarly, crime rate is inversely correlated, as with MSRs as...
Number of neuropharmacology manuscripts...
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...lighting-the-continuous-growth_fig2_328991066
Diabetes and junk food consumption...
http://www.diabetesandenvironment.org/home/incidence
US GNP...
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GNP
Autism rates...
http://www.upstatenyautism.org/autism-rates-jump-1-45-children-heres-reverse-tsunami/
Without having known reasons to indicate that a correlation has actual causation, then the correlation certainly may be very spurious at worst and at best, wishful thinking.
Yeah, it's trivially easy to generate spurious correlations if you just throw various data together and see which ones generate correlation coefficients high enough to satisfy your criteria.
It's also pretty easy to generate a correlation between two pre-chosen items by iteratively controlling different co-variants until you hit on the right number of controls to generate a "statistically robust" correlation.
I think authors/researchers who publish research in the social sciences based on correlation-driven claims of causation should make their work papers public, so everyone can see if they were trying different stuff until they hit on the magic formula that proves red cars cause speeding or whatever.
Sistema1927
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While correlation does not prove causation, the case in point is that a proliferation of AR's, or any other type of weapon for that matter, does not lead to an increase in crime. Crime begins in the heart, leading the eyes to look for tools and the hands to employ them.
Tommygunn
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While I would agree that the #s of AR-15s in society probably doesn't effect crime rates too much, I do think that a generally well armed public does help reduce crime. I'm sure better policing and keeping the baddies incarcerated also helps.
There seems to be enough correlations between the crime rates of localities and gun ownership to reasonably believe it ameliorate crime. Studies by Gary Kleck of the University of Florida, Professors Lott & Mustard of the University of Chicago, and others, all seem to bear this out.
Now, sure, other things matter. Take New York City. Gun ownership there is extremely regulated since atleast the Sullivan Laws, and the city has suffered from inordinately high murder and violent crime rates in the 1950s up through several decades until Rudy Giuliani took over. But it wasn't through making guns easier to own that reduced the crime, it was better policing.
Double Naught Spy
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I don't know about that. WAY too many of the highest crime big cities are in pro gun states with pro gun carry laws. https://www.usatoday.com/picture-ga.../25-most-dangerous-cities-america/1669467002/
Tommygunn
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USATODAY?!?!???!
I'll take the Lott/Mustard study everyday and twice on Sunday over Usatoday. Iirc, Gary Kleck broke down crime stats in every county in America over a fifteen year period and concluded guns are more beneficial than detrimental. His original thesis was the opposite; the presence of guns increased the crime rate. When he found his studies showed the contrary, he accepted and published the truth rather than twist the numbers around.
Yes, I know we have some very violent cities in progun states. New York State is far more gun friendly than New York City (though this has been changing recently). Chicago is infamous for its gun violence, with, I believe, far stricter gun control laws than Illinois.
Many cities are nexuses for drug/gang violence. There, it seems, gun violence seems to be prevelant. Big surprise....gangs have always been violent.
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