I still want to build a .458 BAR, not sure the mags long enough for the heavies tho.
Dream double rifle cartridge
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Llama Bob
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It should be. The .458 is supposed to cap out at .30-06 length. I don't know too much about how the BAR feeds though - never really liked them personally.
I can get 3.35+/- in mine, so in theory that should be enough, but im really not sure. Ill find out with my RAM build probably.
Its a pretty straight shot from the mag to the chamber and mine feeds empty 7mag shells from the magazine.
Gas system is easily tuneable tho its not necessarily designed to be messed with a bunch. so it would probably need to be regulated to one load.
Ive got mine adjusted for a max charge of 8133 behind a 162 right now, and it probably wont cycle some lighter loads.
anyway, neat project for the future i think....after my broke azz double rifle build, after my world trecking American build...after....well.....after
DocRock
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It would have to be 6.5 Creedmoor. It's the bestest, do-allest, most awesomest cartridge and it would just like make a double rifle so much more accurate and stuff. Cuz it's new.
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This discussion of double rifles reminded me of this drop lock Westley Richards .400/.360, NE, a medium power caliber (Think .338 WM and you get the idea) once popular for tigers and other such critters. It has also proven effective for elk and I may take it to Alaska next time I get in the mood for moose..
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I think all rifles should be used (they are tools first) , but that rifle is way to nice to battle the Alaskan wilderness. Thanks for sharing!!!
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It's already been done, so it will work...
It was long time ago, that I read a write up about one a guy had built, or built himself, I forget which...
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I know John van Patten did them,
Jim Watson
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Some of them ended up in Tennessee. Creighton and Warren In Nashville had a show window with full mount lions, etc. in a diorama, plus lots more heads, horns, and hides. They also had a lot of real African rifles, double, bolt, and shot. Mr Creighton went on safari and saw how things were headed there so on his next trip he set up to trade SLRs and semiautomatic Sterlings for hunting guns.
A friend has a Webley .450 BPE
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Offhand, I'd like to know what you are feeding that 400-360. I have a Wm. Evans chambered for the 400-360 Purdey, not quite the same as the Westley Richards cartridge, but pretty close.
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I used a 470 K gun on a problem lion hunt once. Thankfully somebody else settled the issue with the lions and we never even got close to them. I like the 470 cartridge in a double rifle, but I did not like the short LOP on the K gun at all. I do not ever remember handling a K gun that had a stock that fit me.
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Don’t know why but I’ve never lusted for a double rifle. I dream of a .404 Jeffery by H&H, Heym or a company like them.
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No problem with ammo. Good Kynoch 310 gr factory loads are easily available and so is reloadable brass for standard size boxer primers. RCBS makes loading dies. There are also pretty good choices in bullets in different weights. I load some "plinking" ammo with 198 gr jacketed soft points mainly for friends who want to say they have shot a double. Hawk makes a 280 gr bullet for more serious shooting and hunting. I also want to try some cast bullets, if I get around to it. Duplicating original cordite loading is an interesting challenge but I've had good results with VV-N560. Loads for the Purdey 400-.360 should be about identical as they are very similar cartridges.
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9.3x74r
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Nominal bullet diameter for the 400-360 Purdey is alleged to be 0.367. My barrels measure 0.3665. 9.3 mm bullets run 0.366, close enough. Kynoch loads 400-360 Purdey, but I have not found it in the US. Such Kynoch ammo as is available here is priced beyond reason. (I can buy Hornady 500 NE far cheaper.)
Dies are no problem. Brass is not to be had. Bertram's so called "thin rim" is totally unusable. I resort to cutting down 9.3x74R brass. Loading data does not seem to exist.
The oddity in all this is that the rifles for the Purdey version are quite common, more so than the Westley Richards version. So far as I know the Westley Richards version is only to be found in Westley Richards rifles.
Wm. Evans had his own version, but every Wm. Evans rifle I've run across in 400-360 was for the Purdey version. Apparently the Purdey version must have been released to the trade.
Purdey said that back in the day their 400-360 was quite popular.
Dies are no problem. Brass is not to be had. Bertram's so called "thin rim" is totally unusable. I resort to cutting down 9.3x74R brass. Loading data does not seem to exist.
The oddity in all this is that the rifles for the Purdey version are quite common, more so than the Westley Richards version. So far as I know the Westley Richards version is only to be found in Westley Richards rifles.
Wm. Evans had his own version, but every Wm. Evans rifle I've run across in 400-360 was for the Purdey version. Apparently the Purdey version must have been released to the trade.
Purdey said that back in the day their 400-360 was quite popular.
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BTW: There are five different 400-360 cartridges, no two of which are interchangeable. The ballistics of all five are so close together that there's nothing to choose between them. Apparently the rifle makers wanted a captive market for their ammo..
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I shot my Lion and Cape Buffalo with a .375 H&H Sako bolt rifle. No way would I have attempted either hunt with a shotgun. Killed 10 plains game animals in two trips with a .30-06.
I'd like to see a double in 7.62x54R. It would be cheap to feed...
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You just gave me an idea. Just one little 2 part question. 2 triggers & hammered or 1 and cock on opening?
Of course... Does it really matter if it's just a pair of inserts??
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Always two triggers for redundancy.
That stock could win the Miss America contest!
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My 870 rifled barrel shot 485 grain slugs @1,900 FPS.
That’s why I switched to a 7 mag
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That sounds like the guy with the $5000 Wilson Supergrade .45 who buys a 9mm Wilson Supergrade to save on ammo cost.
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Here's one that falls in the Dream Double category: a .257 Roberts made by Simon Kalischnig, who was one of the premier Ferlach gunmakers. I would like to say it is mine but belongs to my neighbor Snooty Chuck. He has a bunch of pretty doubles like this and says this one is his favorite deer rifle...
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Gordon
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Ha ha ! "Snooty Chuck" Ha Ha ! I love it ! I also love his double, very nice and classic ! That would be a 6.35x57 I believe
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