I agree. Thats why the Rem Tac-14 and Mossberg Shockwave are so popular IMO. Much shorter but same capacity as say a Maverick 88 with 18" barrel. If I can find a Shockwave for a decent price I.m getting one. I just have to decide 12 or 20ga, Would be much lighter and compact than my H&R Protector with 16 rounds on board.At the range Saturday I watched a girl around 5ft 5in or less, maybe 105 lb shoot a 12ga. Pump from the hip at about 10 yards. She covered the target with 7 1/5 bird shot every time. I mostly shoot from the hip when I take my home defense shotgun to the range. When you talk home defense, your talking 4 ,or 5 yards average room size. The longest shot I could take in my home would be 8 yards. That's down the hall and across the living room. All others would be under 5 yards. With a little practice I have no problem hitting the target with 00 buckshot from the hip. With a rifle or handgun I could not do near as good. It's very possible to us a shotgun in a home defense situation with out taking time to aim. It seems a great advantage to me.
I'd like to try one out to. Need to look in to law on putting a brace in one.I agree. Thats why the Rem Tac-14 and Mossberg Shockwave are so popular IMO. Much shorter but same capacity as say a Maverick 88 with 18" barrel. If I can find a Shockwave for a decent price I.m getting one. I just have to decide 12 or 20ga, Would be much lighter and compact than my H&R Protector with 16 rounds on board.
Answer is, I don't know. Getting hit with a load of 00 buck is whole different ball game than getting hit with a dab of paint so I don't compare the two. All I can tell you is that if the bad guy comes to my home I'm going to do the best I can to protect my family and myself. It won't be like any game I've played before.So my question is what happens if we run into someone as good, or better than we are.
I can remember running gun battles in paintball, and usually he who used cover best, and got lucky first, won. BUT, pumpers were always at a disadvantage when engaged directly by someone with a semi, especially at the higher skill levels.
Now obviously not analogous, but the base diference is volume of fire and ease of use. A single solid hit from either player ends the exchange.
True that, and a great deal of what I THINK i would do in a such a situation is likely to fall by the wayside.It won't be like any game I've played before.
These guns are one of those really good examples to find a rental of if possible. Many love them of course but, I am sure a lot of them are going to be bought and then sold or set aside never used. The 12Ga even with reduced power loads is quite the gun. Many are not going to like it much.I agree. Thats why the Rem Tac-14 and Mossberg Shockwave are so popular IMO. Much shorter but same capacity as say a Maverick 88 with 18" barrel. If I can find a Shockwave for a decent price I.m getting one. I just have to decide 12 or 20ga, Would be much lighter and compact than my H&R Protector with 16 rounds on board.
Devastating for sure!!!!!So- whatever works for you use-
I will say for those of you who have not done this- try it- put up a man-size target at 20 feet and shoot it with #4 buck out of a shotgun.....
I would try #4 buck out of my shotgun. "IF" I could find any. Have not seen any buck in my town in over two weeks.So- what ever works for you use-
I will say for those of you who have not done this- try it- put up a man size target at 20 feet and shoot it with #4 buck out of a shotgun.....
Bought a case of it from Outdoor limited.com two weeks ago....I would try #4 buck out of my shotgun. "IF" I could find any. Have not seen any buck in my town in over two weeks.
So my question is what happens if we run into someone as good, or better than we are.
I can remember running gun battles in paintball, and usually he who used cover best, and got lucky first, won. BUT, pumpers were always at a disadvantage when engaged directly by someone with a semi, especially at the higher skill levels.
Now obviously not analogous, but the base diference is volume of fire and ease of use. A single solid hit from either player ends the exchange.
So not disagreeing, and this certainly isnt a situation i think is actually likely. What was running thru my head was that the targets identified, and either immediately retreats then re-engages from a more opportune location, or immediately opens up with a semi.I live in the burbs. Ain't gonna be any running gun battles and my state says the castle doctrine ends once they are out the door. So all I would be looking to do is clear the hallway. I rarely shoot an AR, but I hunt with a shotgun like 30 or 40 days a year and instinctively shoot moving targets without having to consciously think about the mechanics of it. So if I am not grabbing a bedside pistol, a shotgun is what I would be reaching for just out of familiarity. If you shoot an AR a lot, I can completely understand why you would prefer one.
You can go through all the scenarios. Bottom line is you can't plan for and be prepared for every one. All you can do is prepare yourself the best way you know how. And Hope it never happens.So not disagreeing, and this certainly isnt a situation i think is actually likely. What was running thru my head was that the targets identified, and either immediately retreats then re-engages from a more opportune location, or immediately opens up with a semi.
In either case If you hit your first shot, your at an advantage, if not done right there, but if you miss at the very least you have to pump and fire again, where as if the other guys armed with a full, or extended capacity carbine, he can either retreat or advance under his own cover fire. Worse if there are two attackers.
If running a traditional semi shotty, then capacity will be exhausted first and youll have to reload while still taking fire.
Again in the very unlikely event of having to use a home defense weapon, it seems extremely unlikely to be involved in a situation like that..... and its certainly not a situation I have enough knowledge to really flesh out in my head.
I just kind made me wonder, and again this is mostly based on trying to dig defenders out of fairly good cover, and defending against attackers from cover, but in the context of a game. Admittedly ive mostly eliminated, and been eliminated at touching range, which also seem extremely unlikely for a defensive encounter....actually the more i think about it, the more holes i poke in my theory.