Why don't people seem to use O/U for HD?
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Tribal
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I've seen some SxS shotguns with pretty short barrels, but all the O/U ones I've seen have been full-length. That may be a factor.
Regolith
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I'd bet that some people do. But it does look weird....
Virginian
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Can't show off sneaking around in the dark.
Okiecruffler
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OU doesn't make that "cink-cink" sound of the pump. And to shoot them you have to hold your head sideways. This " 00 " is scary, this "8" is silly.
cluttonfred
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Lol, Okiecruffler, but I imagine it's really just a marketing/perception issue, chicken and egg, if people wanted home defense O/Us then the manufacturers would make them, and vice versa.
If you want to buck the trend, you could do a lot worse than the Stoeger Condor Outback for utility/HD use, with the screw-in chokes giving real flexibility.
If you want to buck the trend, you could do a lot worse than the Stoeger Condor Outback for utility/HD use, with the screw-in chokes giving real flexibility.
I once used an o/u for HD because it was the only gun I had at the time.
The motel I'd chosen for the out-of-town trap shoot was not in a great part of town. When things got a little rambunctious in the parking lot (druggies, fights, possible stabbig, etc.) I popped a couple of 00 rounds into my Krieghoff, slipped on the safety and placed the gun on the floor next to my bed. I slept very well that night and switched hotels the next day.
The motel I'd chosen for the out-of-town trap shoot was not in a great part of town. When things got a little rambunctious in the parking lot (druggies, fights, possible stabbig, etc.) I popped a couple of 00 rounds into my Krieghoff, slipped on the safety and placed the gun on the floor next to my bed. I slept very well that night and switched hotels the next day.
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I can think of one Beretta O/U deployed as a HD tool. It was a featherweight with 26" barrels and an owner with a pressing need at the time. He later was persuaded to invest in a short barreled 870 by Yr Humble Scrivener.
His Daughter had the typical Crazy Ex Boyfriend. Last I heard, she had the Beretta, a German Shepherd with hostility issues towards strangers and a J Frame.
IMO, like SxS shotguns, a vertically arranged double can do the job. There are better choices for most folks, though....
His Daughter had the typical Crazy Ex Boyfriend. Last I heard, she had the Beretta, a German Shepherd with hostility issues towards strangers and a J Frame.
IMO, like SxS shotguns, a vertically arranged double can do the job. There are better choices for most folks, though....
TrapperReady
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PJR - I've done that very thing, except I didn't have 00 and had to settle for some #2 Hevishot I found rolling around under the seats of my truck.
This gun would work quite well:
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_condor_outback.php
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_condor_outback.php
LOL
Seriously, though, an HD gun ought to be short enough to use indoors, reliable as anything you can buy, and cheap enough that you don't care that it sits in the closet. Sounds like a pump.
The only really short O/U on the mass market today is the Stoeger above. It is cheap enough. But it seems like a lot of people think they need 10 rounds, and these guns have just been available for a short time.
Personally, I like O/U's a lot. They're great in the field, not just for the range. I'd use one for HD, but I don't currently have one for HD.
Interestingly, Gun Tests compared a SxS and an 870 HD gun this month. They said the first two shots with the SxS were quicker than the pump, and with some practice, the next two can be pretty quick, though a bit slower than the pump. They actually preferred the SxS, all told.
Okiecruffler
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Well, as much as I hate GunTest, I have to agree. My grandpappy taught me how to hook a finger over each trigger and get off a second shot almost before muzzle rise starts. Kinda slow for the next 2 since my 311's have extractors rather than ejectors. Always been careful not to pull both at the same time. I've been lead to believe that ain't good for gun or shoulder.
oneounceload
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for the same amount of cash, say $300, you're probably right...but get a quality O/U, and it will last a long time.....is it the best for HD? more than likely not...I own many for targets and birds...my primary HD gun is a S&W 357 with a 12 pump as backup......but if all I had was an O/U??...sure would use it......
remember rule number 1 of a gunfight - BRING a GUN!
A number of years ago I'm almost sure I remember seeing a short-barrelled over and under defense gun at a gun show. It was not new but I believe it was made with the short barrel. Might have been a Beretta but believe it was Italian at least. Approximately 20 inch barrels like the Condor. I used to have a stainless/synthetic 26 inch Ruger Red Label that I always thought would have made a pretty good "coach gun" with the barrels cut down to about 20 inches, one reason being ejectors rather than extractors. Like people have said, I wasn't going to chop down a gun that back then cost over 1000 dollars just to have an over-under coach gun, but still I think it would have been pretty effective.
W.E.G.
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That Stoeger is priced right - more or less.
I still thing the current gun-buying public would rather have a pump.
More gun - less money.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_336/products_id/50663
Don't forget to put a drop of blue Loctite on the screw that secures the thumb-safety lever.
I still thing the current gun-buying public would rather have a pump.
More gun - less money.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_336/products_id/50663
Don't forget to put a drop of blue Loctite on the screw that secures the thumb-safety lever.
ClarkEMyers
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My wife used her hunting sxs as a bedside gun.
My wife used her hunting sxs as a bedside gun. I'd suggest the often forgotten superiority of a side by side is that the over and under has to broken farther to reload and the broad outline of the sxs is tad better for a low light situation.
As other's noted I have had a loaded OU around - with a butt cuff - when it was the only long arm I had available.
My wife used her hunting sxs as a bedside gun. I'd suggest the often forgotten superiority of a side by side is that the over and under has to broken farther to reload and the broad outline of the sxs is tad better for a low light situation.
As other's noted I have had a loaded OU around - with a butt cuff - when it was the only long arm I had available.
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In fact there's nothing like an O/U for home defense if it's invaded simultaneously by Wilt Chamberlain and Mickey Rooney.
Most people don't know that.
Most people don't know that.
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Frog48
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Because pumps are cheaper. Most people wouldnt want to saw off a high end O/U.
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