Rail guns commonly get extra special care. Barrels are cleaned with more care than a princess' behind, everything is kept spotless at all times and so forth. Ultra-heavy barrels are very resistant to both heat and heat distortion and shooting in windy conditions boils down to waiting for the row of windbags to match their position at the time of previous shot.Even a Rail Gun, as shown will be effected by wind and other environmental condition as well as barrel heat, barrel cleaning etc.
I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree mate. The rifle, by and large, does what you tell it to do.
Even a Rail Gun, as shown will be effected by wind and other environmental condition as well as barrel heat, barrel cleaning etc.
So they see what machine is capable of without human error involved in the outcome.
At some point environmental conditions become an issue though and the humans input can become useful again.
My point alsoA bad shooter benefits very little from good gun/ammo in most practical settings. See this all the time at practical shooting matches.
but with a 2moa rifle, you'll never start shooting well
Actually, I got me several of them guaranteed sub-MOA rifles. One of them came with a target proving it. I never knew what a horrible shot I must be until now that I have no excuses or the rifle to blame it on. Well, I can always blame it on gravitational disturbances, earth spin and wobble or boring and mundane things like the wind. I know, it has gotta be the scope, that is what it is!
Ha Ha, shooters are a funny bunch, and we have a litany of excuses to blame our poor results on. We've even invented a term called the "flyer" which is a shot that did n't land where it was supposed to. They are generally blamed on everything but the shooter.
Gotta agree with Taliv on this one. Equipment makes a huge difference.
I’m going to condition the above statement with more clarification:
1.) I discount and frankly don’t care about dumb dumbs. Aside from the dim witted bottom 3% not creating safety violations at the range or hurting others, I could care less if they hit anything. I don’t even try to help them anymore. If a shooter is too dumb to understand basics like pressing the trigger without disturbing the sights, natural point of aim, or other basics and doesn’t want to learn and just wants to engage in ballistic self pleasure they can have at it. Their opinions one way or the other on firearms are invalid. Please note this only applies to willful morons who have no desire to learn, new shooters that want to learn and will take coaching are different.
2.) Bearing in mind point #1, even reasonably skilled shooters all too often buy into marketing hype, and have unrealistic expectations for how mechanically accurate/precise their action, barrel, ammunition, and optic are even if all other variables could be eliminated. Most of the sub MOA guarantees are for 3 shot groups. Yeah, OK that is not a statistically significant number of data points. You know why almost no one makes a guarantee like that for 10 shot groups? Because even from a machine rest that is exponentially more difficult to achieve at a high rate in a production gun with factory ammo.
3.) Most shooters cherry pick their data, and ignore all the 3 shot groups that don’t achieve 1/2 MOA as if they didn’t happen and claim they have a 1/2 MOA rig and ammo. Uh huh. Sure. Run a 10 shot group and get back with me, you’re probably going to find you will be lucky to hold under 1 MOA for those 10 shots. If you do though, you have a much more solid claim to a no BS sub MOA rig.
4.) Most average factory rifles aren’t particularly shooter friendly when it comes to easy repeatable results even if the mechanical components and ammo are up to the task. One size fits all stocks basically sort of fit everyone just good enough to be acceptable, some don’t even manage to do that.
Factory triggers leave a lot to be desired on a lot of rifles.
Take those two issues and multiply them if we’re talking about a semiautomatic carbine like an M4 with a telescoping stock and GI trigger. Gas guns are considerably more difficult for most shooters to do precision work with than a bolt gun for a variety of reasons,
Now if you give that willing to learn new shooter, or competent trained shooter a well made rifle with all the details attended to they are going to build skill faster, and achieve better results than on some random “as good as” substitute. I guarantee if you take that individual and put them behind a custom bolt gun with a carefully constructed action, with a great trigger, in a good stock adjusted to them, with a top quality barrel, good glass, and good ammo they will easily perform better than handing them a stock Remington 700 with a Tasco on top.
because it is a superbly accurate rifle for the intended purpose for that ONE cold shot on a deer in that clearing several hundreds of yards out.
With a good rest and a point blank zero 300 yards should be a-okay without holdovers or scope fiddling so long as the shooter has practiced at that distance before. If all previous range time is 100 yards, I 100% agree with your sentiment!
...as great long range cartridge .270 is, several hundred of yards is borderline indirect fire in my book.
In engineering, it’s stacked tolerances. If you have 3 assembled parts with a manufacturing tolerance of .010 each, the cumulative variance could be zero to .030.
Me, too.Man If i can smack a foot ball I am happy. Im a hunter so thats all I need. I do love tight groups but I dont deer hunt with sand bags and a bench.
Me, too.
However I still test my loads off the bench with a solid rest. If the load proofs out to consistent 2" groups or less at 200 meters, it is good to go for the deer hunt. I then practice with that load until I can hit an 8.5x11 sheet of paper at 200 meters from a kneeling position at will.
That's my approach as well; get a load within 1 MOA and practice with it.
Luckily I've got a home range with TGTs out to 760yds, with 400 & 547 off my back deck. I'm routinely humbled trying to get 1st round hits within a whitetail kill zone off shooting from field positions (tripod sitting & backpack prone) at those distances. Doesn't take much of a missed wind call at all to put one outside 8" at those distances.