Thats a beauty!Yes please! That would be an excellent companion for my Ruger Single Seven...
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Thats a beauty!Yes please! That would be an excellent companion for my Ruger Single Seven...
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I think this is good news. As someone else noted, the 795 may be on its way out, but I suspect that the M60 will stay. No big need for 2 box-mag-fed semis, but having a box-fed semi and a tube-fed semi can be good for business. No clue what will happen on the bolt gun rimfire side. Marlin looks like it has a whole bunch of rimfire bolt guns, and I have a hard time believing that Ruger would phase them all out in favor of the RAR line. A couple, maybe.
Yeah there is a high likelihood the 795 is DOA at the beginning of the next production cycle/model year, and frankly the death of the 795 probably means the death of the XT because they share a magazine design....
But i suspect that, depending on setup costs, Ruger will continue production of the 795 and XT at least for awhile, as a way to tap the market for box fed 22s at a price slightly below the 10/22 and RMR.
Frankly i think Ruger make the purchase with the intent of updating/further streamlining the production process of the lever guns and possibly that of the m60, and they could care less about the 795 or XT. And yes I am pretty much sure that eventually they'll start investment casting the lever gun receivers, there is no legit reason not to, current gen casting (as pretty much pioneered by Ruger) produces like quality major parts with lower scrap, wastage, and materials cost than forging.
A cast gun will have a different look/feel then a forged one.
Huh?The only reason this happened is that the Jurassic Park film crew wanted a 336 with a plastic rotary magazine.
The only reason this happened is that the Jurassic Park film crew wanted a 336 with a plastic rotary magazine.
Interesting. There’s a banner on Ruger’s homepage that links to this:It is my understand that very little of the Marlin CT equipment was even moved from Marlin to Remington due to its poor condition and what was moved was often sabotage by Marlin employees. That was not a friendly take-over of Marlin by Remington. There was not much cooperation. I also know that Marlin's data packages for their products were woefully behind (much was still on hand drawn drawings with woefully inadequate anotation) and Remington engineering has to do a lot of work to create modern CAD models and drawings. Yes production documentation was nearly non-existent and due to the hard feeling between the two companies much of the undocumented production tribal knowledge simply walked away and was lost. It took Remington a lot of work and time to re-engineer a lot of it. They never did figure out the 39A despite trying.
Ruger is in for a similar challenge. They should have a better starting point with Remington's modern CAD models and drawing but again the tribal knowledge has already walked away. This time less so due to hostilities and more so due to attrition at Remington due to poor management. As I have mentioned in this or other threads on the Remington Bankruptcy. Remington has lost about 90% of its design engineers since the 2018 Bankruptcy. Most of the Marlin knowledge has already "left the building" as it were. Ruger engineers will have a fair bit of work to do especially with the fact that production is moving from Ilion and Huntsville to one or more or Ruger's facilities. They will have to train new people since I don't think they will get many of the few remain people from Remington to move, if that is even offered.
$30 million got Ruger the Marlin name and trademarks and a nearly complete data package for much of the product lines and not much else. It will be interesting to see how the machines get divied up. Marlin was very integrated into Remington and one machine might make Marlin parts one day and Remington parts the next and Bushmaster parts the day after. Who gets that machine? I am sure the accountants have that all figured out but how will the engineers and machinist like it is still up in the air.
I personally think Ruger will figure it out I just think its going to take more time and effort than Ruger is expecting, we are hoping, and in hindsight I suspect it will not have been worth 30mil but what do I know I am just a rambling engineer.
Sure there is. The preferences of the buying public. To uphold Marlin products. To differentiate themselves from the likes of Henry. A cast gun will have a different look/feel then a forged one.
True story! Look at the buyers of the 10/22, they don't care that it's a beached whale in your hands, not really all that accurate ect... All they want to do is get it home and start rebuilding it into what RUGER SHOULD OF DONE in the first place...Unfortunately, most of the buying public doesn't care. They don't care if it's forged, cast, or MIM. They don't care if it is hand fitted or well finished
You're the first person I've seen say that the Axis is a better rifle than the American. They're both pretty similar, but I give the American a slight edge as the bedding uses a set of V blocks and that is a rock solid, accurate way to bed a rifle and it's superior to the Axis.I imagine they mainly bought them to have a rifle manufacturers name under their belt, even with all the Ruger rifles out there Ruger is a handgun manufacturer and their rifles are decent but nothing to write home about especially in the accuracy department as generally any competitors comparable rifle will be well ahead in that regard with everything else equal.
The axis is a good bit better than the American, I really don't know anyone who would pick up a m77 over literally anything else in the price range. The 10/22 is a starter set box of Legos that you off the back swap the barrel, if you wanted out of the box accuracy in a cheap semi .22 you got the m60.
Marlin gets them a strictly dickly rifle manufacturer and allows them to do a bit of dodge vs ram you handle the trucks we will take care of the cars kinda thing and solidify the range without watering down the brands image
True story! Look at the buyers of the 10/22, they don't care that it's a beached whale in your hands, not really all that accurate ect... All they want to do is get it home and start rebuilding it into what RUGER SHOULD OF DONE in the first place...
I bet that keeps Ruger laughing all the way to the bank!!
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What's the deal with all this knocking the 10/22? Is the 10/22 the best 22 out there no, is it the most accurate no, but what is does do is work, and all the time. It's inexpensive, it's handy and it works and yes it's easy to up grade. Why is it easy to up grade? Because they sold a **** ton of them, why because they work. The 10/22 is the Glock of 22s, it's the one all others are judged by.
The BLR design is such that the only purpose for the receiver is to hold the bolt and barrel in alignment. All the pressure is contained by the bolt locking into the barrel. With the Marlin design the receiver is more of a factor in withstanding the firing stress. I think what people fear is that the parts would need to be made thicker (and therefore more unwieldy) as castings in order to be as strong as the current forged part. How much of that is reality vs perception I don’t know. I still remember those S&W “thicker is only better with burgers and shakes” ads from the 70’sas the owner of a Blackhawk and a Redhawk I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would take issue with Ruger castings. Whether they make Marlins with forged receivers or go to investment cast, it's still going to be the best American made lever gun in production. The Browning has an aluminum receiver and is made in Japan ffs, it's not like we're talking that kind of drastic change. Ruger won't stray any further from tradition than they need to to offer the best lever gun they can make and be profitable on. I'm envisioning a bunch of crusty guys posting on gun forums via webTV on their old Curtis Mathes console televisions.
Remington basically had to reverse engineer the Marlin products.