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Ruger buys Marlin
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Blue Brick
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Crossing my fingers for new H&R's.
Blue Brick
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Wait....ha Ruger finally has a pump 12ga.
Detritus
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Yeah there is a high likelihood the 795 is DOA at the beginning of the next production cycle/model year, and frankly the death of the 795 probably means the death of the XT because they share a magazine design....
But i suspect that, depending on setup costs, Ruger will continue production of the 795 and XT at least for awhile, as a way to tap the market for box fed 22s at a price slightly below the 10/22 and RMR.
Frankly i think Ruger make the purchase with the intent of updating/further streamlining the production process of the lever guns and possibly that of the m60, and they could care less about the 795 or XT. And yes I am pretty much sure that eventually they'll start investment casting the lever gun receivers, there is no legit reason not to, current gen casting (as pretty much pioneered by Ruger) produces like quality major parts with lower scrap, wastage, and materials cost than forging.
Solomonson
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Sure there is. The preferences of the buying public. To uphold Marlin products. To differentiate themselves from the likes of Henry. A cast gun will have a different look/feel then a forged one.
Detritus
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your talking about a gun buying public that if you set two unmarked 1911 frames in front of them, one that's forged, and one an investment casting, couldn't tell you which is which.
to the average shooter/gun owner, there's not enough perceivable difference, esp if you don't outright tell them.
in fact, further using 1911s as an example. which other makers are using Pine Tree (Ruger) frames? more than one other maker does.
sabbfan
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I think the people that would really want a forged frame Marlin and would not buy a cast one would probably be the same people that would want a JM stamped Marlin. If they actually do cast frames for the new Marlins most won’t notice and many won’t care since I’m sure they’d do it right.
Tommygunn
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Huh?
SSN Vet
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Me thinks this is good news.
chicharrones
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WheelGunMan
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I bought a Remlin 1894C in .357 last year that's actually pretty nice. Has a couple of cosmetic issues with the forstock finish that's was easily overcome. I also have a 336SC (1955 vintage) in .35 Remington and a 883SS in .22WMR. I'm thrilled with the acquisition. I'm glad that the Marlin name will live on.
Unfortunately, most of the buying public doesn't care. They don't care if it's forged, cast, or MIM. They don't care if it is hand fitted or well finished. They don't care if it has locks, safeties, or any number of other extraneous lawyer-recommended doo dads. They don't want traditional. They don't want "Fudd guns". They are incapable of even discerning the difference between a fine hand fitted firearm and one that is slapped together with MIM parts. They want black, plastic, and tacticool. They want rails and lights and adjustable stocks and high capacity magazines. They want cheap.
Look how much traditional gun offerings have dwindled over the past several years. Oh, there will always be some people who want traditional quality. Cowboy shooters and others. But how much longer these buyers will remain in large enough numbers for major American manufacturers to keep on catering to them at all, I don't know.
DM~
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True story! Look at the buyers of the 10/22, they don't care that it's a beached whale in your hands, not really all that accurate ect... All they want to do is get it home and start rebuilding it into what RUGER SHOULD OF DONE in the first place...
I bet that keeps Ruger laughing all the way to the bank!!
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chicharrones
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Awwww . . . Now you guys got me reminiscing about my ol' Winchester 37a made 30+ years ago.
Pressed "checkering" on the lumber stock, roll marked "engraving" on the receiver, belt sander finished barrel, pot metal trigger guard, thumb cutting hammer spur, plastic forend bushing that would destroy itself every few years, and the spring loaded forend (not latched) that would come off the gun when breaking it open for a reload.
If it wasn't for that aesthetically pleasing electrical tape that I used to hold the forend on with, I'd have thought poorly of guns made back in the day.
Pressed "checkering" on the lumber stock, roll marked "engraving" on the receiver, belt sander finished barrel, pot metal trigger guard, thumb cutting hammer spur, plastic forend bushing that would destroy itself every few years, and the spring loaded forend (not latched) that would come off the gun when breaking it open for a reload.
If it wasn't for that aesthetically pleasing electrical tape that I used to hold the forend on with, I'd have thought poorly of guns made back in the day.
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You're the first person I've seen say that the Axis is a better rifle than the American. They're both pretty similar, but I give the American a slight edge as the bedding uses a set of V blocks and that is a rock solid, accurate way to bed a rifle and it's superior to the Axis.
The No. 1 is one of the strongest single shot rifles ever built.
The rest of the rifles that Ruger makes, 10/22 aside, I will agree they're decent, but nothing special. That said, I do not think the sole reason to buy Marlin had to do with Ruger having a low self esteem in terms of their rifle business. They want to do lever action rifles and Marlin is one of the most popular brands in the world for making a lever gun.
ozarkhillbilly
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What's the deal with all this knocking the 10/22? Is the 10/22 the best 22 out there no, is it the most accurate no, but what is does do is work, and all the time. It's inexpensive, it's handy and it works and yes it's easy to up grade. Why is it easy to up grade? Because they sold a **** ton of them, why because they work. The 10/22 is the Glock of 22s, it's the one all others are judged by.
I guess my concern with investment casting the receiver vs a forged and machined part aside from looks is strength. Will the cast part blow apart with a Buffalo Bore +P+ round? What is the strength of the materials in comparison to one another? If the cast part can be built to the same strength or greater without having to use thicker/heavier parts or change the shape it could be okay. The forged receiver is the Marlin standard, it is known to be strong and it is aesthetically pleasing as well as being completely functional. We bash Remingtons efforts liberally, at least they built a forged receiver. Equal or better in strength, maintain the same look, feel and function with no increase in weight or size is hopefully the standard when Ruger decides to improve the Marlin. I can see a disclaimer on the BB ammo website, "use in Marlin lever rifles excluding the New Model Marlin" then everyone will be wishing for a Remlin that gobbles the stuff up and spits out fire and thunder.
Remington attempted and in the end achieved (IMO) manufacturing the Marlin rifle as it was produced by Marlin. They did not change the rifle other than removing the huge WARNING from the barrel, people can argue over wood fit and quality all they want, the last few years the rifles were very nice. If Ruger can just build a Marlin and not a NEW Model Marlin, then in such case all will be well, if not, well, we will have to see what they do.
Remington attempted and in the end achieved (IMO) manufacturing the Marlin rifle as it was produced by Marlin. They did not change the rifle other than removing the huge WARNING from the barrel, people can argue over wood fit and quality all they want, the last few years the rifles were very nice. If Ruger can just build a Marlin and not a NEW Model Marlin, then in such case all will be well, if not, well, we will have to see what they do.
chicharrones
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Hmmm.
How many versions of the Marlin M60 were ever offered at one time? Maybe 10? Currently its 6 with just stock and metal changes.
How many versions of the Ruger 10/22 were ever offered at one time? Currently it's 62, certainly much less back in the day. Regardless, no one has to get the entry level 10/22 carbine type if they don't want to.
For what it's worth, I grew up with a plain Marlin 60 and had a Ruger 10/22 carbine as a young adult. Neither had a scope and they both hit the intended targets as equally as I can remember. Of course, I wasn't hardly ever shootin' paper back then.
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as the owner of a Blackhawk and a Redhawk I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would take issue with Ruger castings. Whether they make Marlins with forged receivers or go to investment cast, it's still going to be the best American made lever gun in production. The Browning has an aluminum receiver and is made in Japan ffs, it's not like we're talking that kind of drastic change. Ruger won't stray any further from tradition than they need to to offer the best lever gun they can make and be profitable on. I'm envisioning a bunch of crusty guys posting on gun forums via webTV on their old Curtis Mathes console televisions.
Elkins45
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The BLR design is such that the only purpose for the receiver is to hold the bolt and barrel in alignment. All the pressure is contained by the bolt locking into the barrel. With the Marlin design the receiver is more of a factor in withstanding the firing stress. I think what people fear is that the parts would need to be made thicker (and therefore more unwieldy) as castings in order to be as strong as the current forged part. How much of that is reality vs perception I don’t know. I still remember those S&W “thicker is only better with burgers and shakes” ads from the 70’s
ThomasT
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Well we did it with UFOs so we should be able to do it with lever actions.
Detritus
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And another thing people are overlooking, Ruger doesn't cast everything.
They could cast every part where there needn't be a noticable dimensional change, and forge the receiver and other parts where the technique has benefit.
They could cast every part where there needn't be a noticable dimensional change, and forge the receiver and other parts where the technique has benefit.
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