CraigC
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I was gonna put mine on a Ruger 77 .338RCM but may have to put it on something else just to get in the woods with it.
Call it a failed experiment... Model 94 no good for deer(for me)
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SwampWolf
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I'm not sure how long I'll have to wait. I'll be 78 years old in a couple of months; have worn glasses with bifocals all of my life and had surgery for cataracts a couple of years ago. Using a peep sight is not a whole lot different than using a scope without magnification. You center the bead/reticle on the target and squeeze the trigger.
I'm not disputing that some folks have difficulty using iron sights as they get older but I am saying that just because you're older than the states of Alaska and Hawaii and have poor (albeit corrected) eyesight doesn't mean that some older individuals can't master a peep sight, especially when you've used one all of your life.
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The 36X scope remark was in jest, i.e.- a joke. If you want to use high magnification scopes on your 30-30, you certainly don't have to justify it with me or anyone else.
Oh.....I thought you said-
Plus the OP is from Pa and Pa has antler restrictions much easier making sure your on the right deer with 6 or 7 power at the top.
People have a preconceived notion that higher magnification will automatically result in smaller 100 yd. groups. Maybe to a tiny degree, but not enough to matter. Use the proper target for the magnification of your scope and your groups will be practically the same as those shot with higher magnification. In the field I find little advantage in more magnification and in most circumstances, find it a huge disadvantage because of decreased field of view. Using the scope @cdb1 uses as an example, if he were to jump a deer or hog at 50 yds., at 6X his scopes FOV is less than 10', while it is over 25' at its lowest setting. Which would be better in that case? Did he remember to turn the power ring down, or is it still on 6X?
I personally have no interest in twisting magnification rings on scopes while I'm hunting. When I used to hunt elk hunt with my .280 Remington and it's Burris 3-9X, I'd leave the scope set on 3X or 4X. So when I built a dedicated elk hunting rifle, I skipped the variable all together and just went with a good quality 4X. And FWIW the bull before last that I shot was walking away at an angle at a lasered 360 yds. when I shot him. The 4X was more than enough and the bullet landed within inches of POA. Conversely, the last bull I shot was in a herd that walked across a trail in front of me at less than 50 yds. and at that range even the 4X scope was almost too much as I tried to find the bull in the jumble of elk.
There's not room for a scope with a larger objective on the .375. That old Weaver has been on the rifle since the '90's, so I know the setup well. Even if there were room for a larger powered scope, I'd not mount one as in my experience, it would be pointless on a rifle chambered for a 150 yd. cartridge.
Here's a really good article on scopes by one of my favorite writers.
35W
This whole deer season has been a failed experiment. Hate to think of slogging through 11 months to go through this BS again.
Seriously. Proly gonna get rid of some gear and try one more season. If it sucks again just quit.
Not worth getting hopes up for.
I used to hunt a very good chunk of ground, for alnost 2 decades. Then went through a few tough years and got on a little place that was mediocre at best. Then it got good.
Now w legal and illegal pressure and other nonsense around, it sucks.
Not worth my time, expense and most of all....emotion.
Has not been a fun year.
Seriously. Proly gonna get rid of some gear and try one more season. If it sucks again just quit.
Not worth getting hopes up for.
I used to hunt a very good chunk of ground, for alnost 2 decades. Then went through a few tough years and got on a little place that was mediocre at best. Then it got good.
Now w legal and illegal pressure and other nonsense around, it sucks.
Not worth my time, expense and most of all....emotion.
Has not been a fun year.
cdb1
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I agree with you there from the standpoint I believe the better the glass the less magnification you need. That was brought home rather abruptly to one of my son’s friends when he could see a 100 yard target better with my 3.5-10x44 MeoPro than he could with his Vortex Crossfire II set at 18X.
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I'm hoping this is true for myself. I started with irons as a kid and moved to scoped rifles. Now in my early 30's I've been very interested in peep or aperture sights on longish range (100-250yds) shots. Very interesting and a fun challenge to get back to basics.
CraigC
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I agree and have had some heated arguments for saying so. Some folks are under the impression that you have to have a huge scope and a tiny target to shoot tiny groups. Not true. What you really need is a target matched matched to your sights. Something you can consistently bracket against. I guess it's counter-intuitive that you might get smaller groups with a bigger target.
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Hokkmike
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Very sorry to hear this. I used to hunt on a piece of land that was between two wooded areas. The deer would run back and forth depending on which area was being hunted. I was very often successful. Lost the ability to hunt there. This year I saw only 6 doe. The one that I could shoot with iron sights was too small to bother.
Consider this friend - don't you just find sitting I the woods and forgetting the problems of the world an escape and worth the time?
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I think everyone but you knew what I meant use your binoculars or whatever to choose the animal you want but make make sure its the right animal with your scope and its a lot easier with a little more power.But it doesn't matter much because if a person wants a new straight tube or low powered variable they are rare birds now.
Yep,
This reminds me I was in an old gun shop once and there was an old lever action from the 1950's or 1940's in there with the vintage peep sight. I guess in the era before common scope usage, if you were serious about your gun, that was the route. I'd like to know all the hunting stories that one could tell!
In a different old gun store I walked in and told the guy I wanted to scope a 336. He immediately went and got a Weaver base and a set of Ironsighter rings. All aluminum. That setup was perfect for my Redfield.
I average a deer every four hunting days, hunting only half days.
Tend to hold off til pre rut.
Nothing big enough to shoot this yr. Had a busted 6 pt at 35 yards. On the ground.
Was in the woods 45 mins maybe. Small spot, cant do much there. Some houses around so that further limits things
But bud and I kill deer and when down in the place looks and feels bigger ( houses not visible ).....so there is the feel of being " away".
But i aint campin. Im killin.
One mature doe within bow or gun range.
Saw a few more, neighbors shot em all, and the fawns.
Two weeks game cams got pics....of two small does. One pic.
And neighbor walking his dog through the thicket. Hmmm .
Tend to hold off til pre rut.
Nothing big enough to shoot this yr. Had a busted 6 pt at 35 yards. On the ground.
Was in the woods 45 mins maybe. Small spot, cant do much there. Some houses around so that further limits things
But bud and I kill deer and when down in the place looks and feels bigger ( houses not visible ).....so there is the feel of being " away".
But i aint campin. Im killin.
One mature doe within bow or gun range.
Saw a few more, neighbors shot em all, and the fawns.
Two weeks game cams got pics....of two small does. One pic.
And neighbor walking his dog through the thicket. Hmmm .
Think i hunted 10 times this bow/ gun season.
Let a forky, a 6 and a doe w twins go.
The doe and twins mult times.
Only saw one buck over 100". Once.
Didnt matter what bow, gun or sighting systems were used.
However, all my gear is set up correctly LOL.
Do know folks that half arse it and get many opportunities afield
My luck aint good enough to play that game.
Let a forky, a 6 and a doe w twins go.
The doe and twins mult times.
Only saw one buck over 100". Once.
Didnt matter what bow, gun or sighting systems were used.
However, all my gear is set up correctly LOL.
Do know folks that half arse it and get many opportunities afield
My luck aint good enough to play that game.
I am looking.....maybe......for peep options for my old Hawken. For next yr.
Might just get a Knight and scopse it.
Really like to be done before it gets so cold.
Our MZ season is after the reg gun.
Not early like some places.
Did have a peep on it yrs ago, TC version.
It was OK. No longer made. Fetch a good little penny.
I bought 3 of em and sold em for triple what paid.
Might just get a Knight and scopse it.
Really like to be done before it gets so cold.
Our MZ season is after the reg gun.
Not early like some places.
Did have a peep on it yrs ago, TC version.
It was OK. No longer made. Fetch a good little penny.
I bought 3 of em and sold em for triple what paid.
CraigC
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Huh??? If you go to Midway and search for rifle scopes with a power range starting at 1-1.5x, there's only 126 choices.
https://www.midwayusa.com/rifle-sco...C%7Cp_metric_sales_velocity%7C1&Ntpc=1&Ntpr=1
wild willy
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Since most of this thread has been about smaller scopes that don't overpower a lever gun narrow your search to 1" hunting not tactical and see how many choices.Then do a search for fixed powers under 4x
CraigC
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Is there a point? How many choices do you need? What is "tactical" or not is irrelevant. All that really matters is weight. Some 30mm's are heavy, some are not. Even the Leupold 30mm straight tube 1.5-4x is only 3oz heavier than a 1" VX3 1.5-5x but it also has an illuminated reticle. There is no shortage of choices if what you want is a straight tube, low power variable. There is also the used market.
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Is that a top eject 94?
Yup. I've given up on open sights for rifle hunting. No matter how sharp your corrected vision is, after a certain age you can't adjust from seeing the front sight to seeing the target like you used to. I can still squeak by with a peep sight, but even that's getting marginal. I still hunt turkey with open fiber optic sights. I can put the green blur between the two red blurs well enough to hit a turkey with a shotgun, but for rifle work, it's time to use a scope.
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.... That's why us old guys prefer Marlins. Mine has had a 1-4x Leupold on it since 2001. Although this year our shooting time is now 30 minutes before sunrise to 30 minutes after sunset so it now has a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x with an illuminated reticle to take advantage of any low light opportunities that may arise. Had the scope here not being used and figured with the extended shooting time I would need some help with low light conditions and old eyes. It's a woods gun so the scope will probably never go above 4X. When old eyes begin to become a factor it's time to gravitate to more scope friendly options if using lever guns.
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