daniel craig
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Yeah. I missed the non-assisted part.The Cryo is a good value, and a strong knife. Unfortunately, it can only be opened safely with the flipper. Also, it's somewhat slippery.
John
Yeah. I missed the non-assisted part.The Cryo is a good value, and a strong knife. Unfortunately, it can only be opened safely with the flipper. Also, it's somewhat slippery.
John
Based on your updated criteria and apparent willingness to go $100+ I'd recommend either a Benchmade Mini-
Griptilian or Spyderco Native. They make 2 versions of the Mini-Grip. I like the hole in blade version better. That design is also on the Spyderco's and is the fastest to deploy manual open knife.
Benchmade Knives: 555-S30V Mini-Griptilian - Sheepsfoot - CPM-S30V - AXIS Lock | All Knives Ship Free
Spyderco: Native 5 Lightweight - Cobalt Blue FRN - Lockback - CPM-SPY27 - C41PCBL5 | All Knives Ship Free
The Benchmade uses the axis lock and comes closest to meeting all of your criteria. And that is a good price in the link I provided.
The rest of this thread is for future readers.
Yes, I'm cruising bladehq.com.
I reviewed the law again. Any spring assisted opening folding knife is HIGHLY LIKELY considered a "switchblade" and may not be carried in Maryland. Fixed blades are likely out too (I have a little Wolfpup that I like). The Spyderco knives exceed 3" if you move the ruler around. While they are technically 2 3/4" or so, a creative cop looking to make a criminal charge could likely do it just to see if it sticks. Dangit.
So, the requirements are:
1) Less than 3" blade IN ALL DIMENSIONS (in other words...a cop cannot move the ruler around and meet or exceed 3")
2) Manual open only
3) Ambidextrous pocket clip
4) Prefer AXIS lock or similar
5) Grippy grips
I do have a CRKT Pineapple. I'll use that while I switch things up.
MD statute said:(1) a knife or a penknife having a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring, or other device in the handle of the knife, commonly called a switchblade knife or a switchblade penknife
I tried an AO flipper from ZT. Hated it.Just a reminder, not all flippers are AOs. Many forego springs and just balance detent pressure against force of opening.
Personally I don’t think a properly made flipper needs assistance at all.
That isn't true unless you're in Baltimore City. State's Attorney already publically announced AOs are not switchblades. Are you in Maryland? That's where I am and I have a tons of accumulated research on the legalities of weapon carry here. There is no length restriction and anyone telling you otherwise obviously hasn't read the law, and there's already case law that a cop can be held liable for false arrest if they claim otherwise. If you're not in MD, I want to point out that no length law is universally accepted; some states use entirely different criteria for legality that can be applied to knives under 3".
When I bought the CS Counter Point 2 with an advertised 3" blade, I figured I would re-profile it down to 2.90" or so. I measured it several times and so have others with both calipers and micrometers. 2.97" is the largest measurement we've recorded. I left it alone. If I ever found myself in trouble, I can always get a note from the metrology department.Yes, I am in Baltimorgue, MD. Blade length must be under 3" (not exactly 3" dangit) to avoid being considered a "dangerous weapon".
I'm curious, what's wrong with your Crkt? I think they are good knives, the Pineapple seems to be cool with the legal stipulations,
That would depend on whether or not that statute and the handgun permit statutes in Maryland state laws have a clause preempting local ordinances. You're treading into an area where you really need to hire an attorney who specializes in 2A laws and is licensed to practice in Maryland to get a definitive answer.I found this:
https://govt.westlaw.com/mdc/Docume...ype=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)
Concealed carry permit holders are exempt! Now I am sort of confused; does knife carry under this statute get overridden by any local law?
Yes, I am in Baltimorgue, MD. I just read that blade length must be under 3" (not exactly 3" dangit) to avoid being considered a "dangerous weapon". Of course, I cannot find it now. Looking around.
What are the general guidelines then? Is there a good summary online somewhere?
Yes there is. I wrote it myself, with full citations and attributions for both statutory law and case law:
http://weaponlaws.wikidot.com/maryland-knife-laws
Baltimore City has just two knife-related ordinances, under Article 19. They make possession of switchblades and assisted-openers illegal (§ 59-22), due to having a different definition of switchblade than the state. And they regulate sale of most knives (§ 59-23). This last statute is likely where you got the 3 inch limit, but I hasten to add, that's a misinterpretation. This law only prohibits selling 3"+ knives to people under 21 or for stores to keep them in an "exterior window or glass display case." This law in no way prevents you from owning, carrying or purchasing a manual folding knife with a blade greater than 3 inches. This law does not prohibit ordering knives over the internet either.
Most regular switchblade definitions at the federal and state level require there be a switch or button of some kind in the handle that is separate from the blade. Assisted openers get around this by requiring pressure to the blade itself to open.I am confused. What is the definition of "assisted opener"?
The aluminum-handled Leeks are extremely slippery. If you have limited funds, it would not be a suggestion of mine.
John