Don't over pay for ammo and reloading supplies
- Thread starter ford8nr
- Start date
- Status
reloaded_in_pa
Member
I've been looking at some of the primer auctions and I don't believe they are real bids. One seller has multiple primer
listings for 8x-10x retail. All his are showing those prices and bids. I'm willing to bet those bids are friends or family members jacking up the price. I'm also fairly confident most listings like that are not legitimate
. They are looking for one panicked buyer. True scum of the earth.
listings for 8x-10x retail. All his are showing those prices and bids. I'm willing to bet those bids are friends or family members jacking up the price. I'm also fairly confident most listings like that are not legitimate
. They are looking for one panicked buyer. True scum of the earth.
RexFeral8
Member
I know I am just being stubborn but I refuse buy anything at the insanely inflated prices we are currently seeing. I mean .22 LR for $1.00 a round?
I don't have a huge stockpile of ammo for sure but, I do have enough to meet my needs for hunting and some occasional recreational shooting for quite a long while.
If this thing plays out like other buying panics in the past, hopefully it will crash and, price/availability will return to a relative normal. I guess the question is when will it crash and how?
I don't have a huge stockpile of ammo for sure but, I do have enough to meet my needs for hunting and some occasional recreational shooting for quite a long while. If this thing plays out like other buying panics in the past, hopefully it will crash and, price/availability will return to a relative normal. I guess the question is when will it crash and how?
stonebuster
Member
Whenever the reloading and ammo supplies increase again, the folks that got caught short this time will be clearing the shelves stocking up. I hope I'm wrong but I think it's going to be a long time before supply meets demand. The ridiculous prices of primers auctioned on GB are rising fast. I saw bids up to $330 for 1000 SPP today. I watched several auctions for 1000 SPP last week that got up to $180 then buyers took them at "buy it now" price of $250 plus $50 shipping/hazmat charges.I know I am just being stubborn but I refuse buy anything at the insanely inflated prices we are currently seeing. I mean .22 LR for $1.00 a round?
If this thing plays out like other buying panics in the past, hopefully it will crash and, price/availability will return to a relative normal. I guess the question is when will it crash and how?
brewer12345
Member
- Joined
- Nov 29, 2015
- Messages
- 2,752
I really don't think that is true. You have to remember the level of panic that is out there, the fact that there is little to no inventory anywhere, and that a bunch of $600 stimulus checks have just landed in people's bank accounts. But there is an easy way to test your contention: pick something in your reloading hoard that is in demand but that you don't care about or have lots of, list it as a penny start bid, and see what happens.
Hangingrock
Member
We acquire components and commercial ammunition between the panics. Its a lot simpler and easer on the wallet! As a reference the time period of the pre Kennedy Jack and Robert assassinations, was substantially different. Those assassinations changed everything. Yes I'm old and at the mid point of my seventh decade. In those pre assassination days we took firearms to high school and placed them in our wall lockers thus went hunting after school on our way home.
armoredman
Member
I was cruising around Phoenix yesterday. BassPro had empty, not virtually empty, but completely empty ammo and reloading supplies shelves. Sportsman's Warehouse on the north side had so little in the reloading component section that they had plastic ammo cans and face masks on sale in those spots. Legendary Guns last visit had ammo for prices that were, "excessive", but reloading components? Not much, but I did find some CCI #11 caps for the BP revolver, couldn't find those anywhere else. I went to Bruno's on the far north side yesterday, and he had stock...and the prices to match. I wasn't going to, but my best friend bought me a pound of X-Terminator for $40. I about choked, but his reasoning was he was buying from any venue he could get supplies and normal distribution wasn't getting in anything for him. He said retail was $40 today, maybe $60 tomorrow. Even at his high prices there was probably 5 times as many people in that little shop that I have ever seen before. Best part of yesterday was finding Desi Fusion, new Indian eatery in Peoria on Bell Rd.
ThomasT
Member
I just sold 426 380 rounds on GB. The start price was .01. A penny. The final price was 281.00. I did not gouge. I let the market set the price. I have owned seven 380s and I just really don't like the round. I just sold my Taurus TCP so had no use for the ammo.
I have 28,000 22lr rounds on hand. I have no plans to sell any of it. I did give both sons 1500 rounds each that I doubt they will ever use. If they do they can have more. I have 23,000 assorted primers on hand. I have 5,000 Wolf small rifle primers I would like to sell but I can't legally sell them on GB. I need an explosives license to ship them. I suspect a lot of primer sellers on GB are selling and shipping illegally themselves.
I could sell them locally for a price maybe double what I paid for them but then they would probably just list them on GB and get three times what they paid me for them. And if I priced them for what they are selling for on GB I would be labeled a "Price Gouger". Most likely by the same stupid people that allowed themselves be caught short on supplies. So I will just keep them.
The real problem with ammo, primers and 22 prices are the people who should have known better that are once again caught short because they failed to plan for this situation that was bound going to happen. And when this panic wears off and things are on the shelf again for normal prices the same people will fail once again to build up their stock and when the next panic happens, and it will happen again, they will be crying the same blues all over again.
And its really good to hear that cheaper than dirt got busted. I had a run in with the jerk that owns the store. He suffers from a bad case of "little man syndrome".
I have 28,000 22lr rounds on hand. I have no plans to sell any of it. I did give both sons 1500 rounds each that I doubt they will ever use. If they do they can have more. I have 23,000 assorted primers on hand. I have 5,000 Wolf small rifle primers I would like to sell but I can't legally sell them on GB. I need an explosives license to ship them. I suspect a lot of primer sellers on GB are selling and shipping illegally themselves.
I could sell them locally for a price maybe double what I paid for them but then they would probably just list them on GB and get three times what they paid me for them. And if I priced them for what they are selling for on GB I would be labeled a "Price Gouger". Most likely by the same stupid people that allowed themselves be caught short on supplies. So I will just keep them.
The real problem with ammo, primers and 22 prices are the people who should have known better that are once again caught short because they failed to plan for this situation that was bound going to happen. And when this panic wears off and things are on the shelf again for normal prices the same people will fail once again to build up their stock and when the next panic happens, and it will happen again, they will be crying the same blues all over again.
And its really good to hear that cheaper than dirt got busted. I had a run in with the jerk that owns the store. He suffers from a bad case of "little man syndrome".
How about the buyer ships you cleaned deprimed brass and you return them primed brass? That would be legal.
I'm hurting for SRP, as you might have guessed.
Deciding to pass on a high price IS free market.
brewer12345
Member
- Joined
- Nov 29, 2015
- Messages
- 2,752
Absolutely. And as valid a choice as choosing to pay up if you wish.
fatboog
Member
I got H335. 12 bucks a gram! Firms!
lol. I still have 9mm I reloaded the third quarter of 1999. I’d like to think times now are sorta like that but so many thing have no precedent. I grow worrisome
lol. I still have 9mm I reloaded the third quarter of 1999. I’d like to think times now are sorta like that but so many thing have no precedent. I grow worrisome
Better to "hoard" - sit on the stuff , rather than release into the marketplace?
There's that M word again.
brewer12345
Member
- Joined
- Nov 29, 2015
- Messages
- 2,752
Heh, I will take an 8 ball.
fatboog
Member
Quantity discounts apply!
ThomasT
Member
How about the buyer ships you cleaned deprimed brass and you return them primed brass? That would be legal.
I'm hurting for SRP, as you might have guessed.
Thank you for the offer but I think I will pass on that one. It would take a looonnnggg time to prime 5000 cases. And if you don't like my primer prices you sure ain't gonna like what I charge to prime cases.
Yep thats right. I already asked here back in october IIRC. Sorta silly but thats the way it is.
BigAlShooter
Member
- Joined
- Jan 5, 2021
- Messages
- 167
Well, I'm new to this forum. I am not new to this situation. I loaded up with ammo about 10-15 years ago and then got out of shooting about 7 years ago and now am back into it. Sure, I have plenty of ammo for most of my guns, but since I am now getting back into this hobby, I have recently picked up a 6.5 Carcano for cheap and a somewhat cheap AR-15 (since this is my first AR and I better get one now, who knows what could happen). I have some 6.5 Carcano ammo on back order from Steinel that first said 4-6 weeks (which would have arrived by now) and now is saying up to 6 months. I already paid, so I just wait. I also ordered some reloading equipment for it at a low price, but the dies also extended the backorder from Jan to end of March. My AR, I guess I won't shoot it for a long time. I refuse to pay $2 a round for ammo that was $0.25 not long ago. I am contemplating paying $2 a round for Nosler Match from Midway. Basically, I will shoot my other guns and put the new ones on the shelf as a toy until I can get some ammo at a reasonable price. It is just a hobby, so I am willing to wait. Let's just hope it comes back at a reasonable price...
Klaatu Barada Nikto
Member
If this madness goes on for another 6+ months then I will be using my vacation time to go and visit a cousin in Boise. He's 5 hours away from the CCI/Speer plant in Lewiston ID. They do sell to the public and they do have a daily limit, but they will not sell on line nor will they ship. I can see that. To step on the toes of their distributors would be a bad thing.
Maybe grab a couple of winos, give them $20 and a bottle of Mad Dog and come away after 2 days with a few thousand SPP and SRP.
FFGColorado
Member
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2020
- Messages
- 1,129
Political follies seem to be having an impact on online ammo prices..all are up, up, up/
$.72per or so 9mm, 223-same, 38 spec-$1.40, 380--HS!!-$1.90 per....
$.72per or so 9mm, 223-same, 38 spec-$1.40, 380--HS!!-$1.90 per....
Klaatu Barada Nikto
Member
Can't even find any 7mm Rem Mag Brass. Even the expensive Lapua and Norma brass is nowhere to be found.
RetiredUSNChief
Member
"AHHHH! SCALPERS SUCK! PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RESELL THEIR AMMO ARE MEANIES!"
OK, so I'm a bit tongue-in-cheek here.
Pardon me if I'm a bit off-putting here but the OP has it right...bide your time, watch for the turn in the market availabilities, and make your purchases then.
Ammo and related supplies come and go in the market in recent years due to political and economic fears. I get it. Pretty sure we all get it.
But let's set a few things straight here: When I buy something it undergoes a magical transformation from "merchandise" to "private property". That means it's now "mine".
"Mine" as in "do whatever I wish with it, however I see fit".
If I choose to buy things like ammunition, ammunition components, magazines, etc. with an eye for "investment", then it's no different than buying comics, bitcoin, stocks, antique furniture, gold and silver, or anything else for investment. I buy it on the premise that its future value will increase, whereupon I can then sell it at a profit.
Whether I budget a case of ammunition a payday or month or whatever for this purpose is nobody's business except my own. All I've done is look at the market, noted some predictable variables such as political and economic climate triggers, and judiciously invested in material goods which have historically demonstrated a sharp increase in value when they occur. Then I start apportioning a bit of my income in stocking up on those material goods in the expectation that the future market will again drive the value up and I can make a profit. Buy low. Sell high. Basic.
If I do this and people don't like my asking prices for my own private property, then they can pass me by...just like anybody else. I'll either have to depend on others paying my asking price, or lower my asking price if my goods aren't selling.
I am under absolutely no obligation to sell my property at what someone else "thinks" is a fair or just price.
How many people here would buy a 100 round box of Winchester White Box 115 gr. FMJ from me for $30 Academy is currently asking? That's fair, right?
How many people here would buy that same box of ammunition for three times the current cost at Academy? $90 a box would be an awesome deal for me, right?
OK, now what if I told you I had several thousand rounds of the same ammunition that I bought at $10 a box years ago when every time I went to Walmart for anything I would walk out with at least $20 of ammunition each trip.
So, I sell you that same box of ammunition for three times what I paid for it at $30 a box and you, of course, think this is such a FAIR deal!
Or, maybe, I sell it for $40 or $50 a box...because it's scarce now and people in general are quite willing to pay a bit more. What about $60? $90?
Well, guess what? It's mine and if I can sell it for $100/box I'll do it...because it's MINE. Nobody HAS to buy it. They can go elsewhere.
OR...I can just sit on it. (Literally, with all the ammo cases it's stored in.) Because it's MINE and I don't have to sell it either. Then I'm a "hoarder", right?
If someone has a lot of something someone else wants and tries to sell it at any kind of a profit when the market takes a sharp upswing, they're labeled a "scalper" or "gouger".
If someone has a lot of something someone else wants and decides to keep it for themselves when the market takes a sharp upswing, they're labeled a "hoarder".
Let. It. Go.
It's not your property. You don't have to buy it from such people. You have no right to demand they transfer ownership in any fashion whatsoever.
We've had a few years of plentiful ammunition availability since the last run and everybody has been around long enough to have seen this cycle. We've all had the opportunity during the recent few years of plentiful supplies to buy the extra box or two every once in a while to stock up. A year or two of doing that will give a person quite a bit of buffer and they wouldn't be stressing when things are scarce. Coincidentally, such people wouldn't feel the need to use words like "scalper", "gouging", and "hoarder" with their fellow man.
OK, so I'm a bit tongue-in-cheek here.
Pardon me if I'm a bit off-putting here but the OP has it right...bide your time, watch for the turn in the market availabilities, and make your purchases then.
Ammo and related supplies come and go in the market in recent years due to political and economic fears. I get it. Pretty sure we all get it.
But let's set a few things straight here: When I buy something it undergoes a magical transformation from "merchandise" to "private property". That means it's now "mine".
"Mine" as in "do whatever I wish with it, however I see fit".
If I choose to buy things like ammunition, ammunition components, magazines, etc. with an eye for "investment", then it's no different than buying comics, bitcoin, stocks, antique furniture, gold and silver, or anything else for investment. I buy it on the premise that its future value will increase, whereupon I can then sell it at a profit.
Whether I budget a case of ammunition a payday or month or whatever for this purpose is nobody's business except my own. All I've done is look at the market, noted some predictable variables such as political and economic climate triggers, and judiciously invested in material goods which have historically demonstrated a sharp increase in value when they occur. Then I start apportioning a bit of my income in stocking up on those material goods in the expectation that the future market will again drive the value up and I can make a profit. Buy low. Sell high. Basic.
If I do this and people don't like my asking prices for my own private property, then they can pass me by...just like anybody else. I'll either have to depend on others paying my asking price, or lower my asking price if my goods aren't selling.
I am under absolutely no obligation to sell my property at what someone else "thinks" is a fair or just price.
How many people here would buy a 100 round box of Winchester White Box 115 gr. FMJ from me for $30 Academy is currently asking? That's fair, right?
How many people here would buy that same box of ammunition for three times the current cost at Academy? $90 a box would be an awesome deal for me, right?
OK, now what if I told you I had several thousand rounds of the same ammunition that I bought at $10 a box years ago when every time I went to Walmart for anything I would walk out with at least $20 of ammunition each trip.
So, I sell you that same box of ammunition for three times what I paid for it at $30 a box and you, of course, think this is such a FAIR deal!
Or, maybe, I sell it for $40 or $50 a box...because it's scarce now and people in general are quite willing to pay a bit more. What about $60? $90?
Well, guess what? It's mine and if I can sell it for $100/box I'll do it...because it's MINE. Nobody HAS to buy it. They can go elsewhere.
OR...I can just sit on it. (Literally, with all the ammo cases it's stored in.) Because it's MINE and I don't have to sell it either. Then I'm a "hoarder", right?
If someone has a lot of something someone else wants and tries to sell it at any kind of a profit when the market takes a sharp upswing, they're labeled a "scalper" or "gouger".
If someone has a lot of something someone else wants and decides to keep it for themselves when the market takes a sharp upswing, they're labeled a "hoarder".
Let. It. Go.
It's not your property. You don't have to buy it from such people. You have no right to demand they transfer ownership in any fashion whatsoever.
We've had a few years of plentiful ammunition availability since the last run and everybody has been around long enough to have seen this cycle. We've all had the opportunity during the recent few years of plentiful supplies to buy the extra box or two every once in a while to stock up. A year or two of doing that will give a person quite a bit of buffer and they wouldn't be stressing when things are scarce. Coincidentally, such people wouldn't feel the need to use words like "scalper", "gouging", and "hoarder" with their fellow man.
Last edited:
stonebuster
Member
I've recently bought 1500 plated Xtreme 158gr/125gr & Hornady XTP HP 125gr for 38/357. The Xtreme were about the same price as yours after free shipping. Been stocking up on powder (hp-38) too in case prices keep rising and availability decreases. I'll stop buying bullets and powder supplies when they exceed the primers I have on hand.
Klaatu Barada Nikto
Member
Not the best price for 22LR, .23 a round, but hey, it's Match Ammo!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2...ping&utm_source=ammo-seek&utm_campaign=315741
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2...ping&utm_source=ammo-seek&utm_campaign=315741
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
- Poll
