Sharps .45-70

That would be a great one. Pedersoli I’m sure.
Abso effen lutely love mine!
I think every firearm enthusiast should have a 45-70 Sharps.

Pedersoli I had was the 34” model
Very very nice

Some of the Shiloh in stock guns last I looked weren't priced to bad. I'd get what you like, the shotgun butts are nice so are a heavy gun. Even bp in a 45-70 can beat you up. I'd like to get a Quickly down under copy.

I bought Pedersoli’s Quigly when it was released but oh so damn heavy. Loved the patch box though. I think all versions are beautiful!

I have the Pedersoli '74 and shooting .535 grain Postell black powder hand loads. Absolutely love it! The most fun I've ever had at the range!

Pedersoli makes a great one. The only one I'd avoid is the IAB. While their barrels are good, that's about it for them. However, their percussion Sharps are quite capable.

I like my rolling block, but haven't been able to shoot it very much.

I bought one a few months ago... was kinda funny how it worked out.. 1 days prior i bought a Henry 44 mag big boy. Then that night i watched Quigley down under as it was on t.v. then the next day i decided to go back to cabelas as i was bored. And they just got in a Down under 1874 sharps.

Was 1800$ i got it for 1700$ before tax. Had a 6x tube scope on it too.. but i took it off. I dont know how to adjust scopes. So i just use thr iron sights.

Havent shot black powder rounds through it. But i have fire the fusion federal the hornady rtx 300 grain 2700 fps rounds.

Love the gun.. but because of the price of ammo at 55$ a box i dont shoot it much... last time i shot it i fired 20 shots in 10 min.. and im not about to go through hundreds in ammo..

Mine looked brand new.. no scratchs.. dents.. smudges.. nothing. So i thought it was newer.. but after looking at the proof stampings and finding an intalian proof stamp chart.. i found it was made in 2007.. Its a Cimarron, made by ati or something some itialian company.

Have the quigley down under 34 inch barrel and patch box. No veneer sight though

Don't get seduced by a movie prop.
The 34" barrel doesn't balance well, may foul out as the bullet runs out of lube near the muzzle, and the military stock with its low comb and crescent buttplate is a recoil amplifier.
Modern BPCR has shaken out to the 30" barrel and shotgun butt.

Oh, here is the manual for that scope, it has adjustment instructions,
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1..._Scope_Owner_s_Manual.pdf?2420807482967148648

I love my original .45-70 Trapdoors and have shot them out to 1000 yards in competition.

Jim Watson said:

Don't get seduced by a movie prop.
The 34" barrel doesn't balance well, may foul out as the bullet runs out of lube near the muzzle, and the military stock with its low comb and crescent buttplate is a recoil amplifier.
Modern BPCR has shaken out to the 30" barrel and shotgun butt.

Oh, here is the manual for that scope, it has adjustment instructions,
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1..._Scope_Owner_s_Manual.pdf?2420807482967148648

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Lube ?? What lube is on a 45-70 cartridge ???? maybe you guys lube your black powder bullets in the cartidges.. but a nornal 45-70 shot isnt lubed.. 4-6 extra inches wont do anything but increase muzzle velocity.. aka increase range and penetration power.

Also you should always clesn the gun after shooting a few shots out of a black powder rifle anyway. My hawkins 54cal cant go more than 4 shots without fouling and needing cleaning. my solution to your fouling problem is clean the barrel like you would any black powder rifle.. after 4 or so shots.

Thats like saying increasing the length of a cannon or tank cannon will hurt itself without lube. Common man.

You also forget the muskets and rifles back in the 1600-1700 were 39 INCHS long at least. not trying to argue here.. but i just diagree 90% of what you said. The recoil isnt that much on the rifle. With a padded bump stock sleeve i felt nothing as for recoil. I did feel a little with the metal pad but it wasnt anymore than any other rifle ive shot. As for balencing.. sure th3 extra 4-6 inchs makes it barrel side heavy. But that doesnt bug me.

Lube ?? What lube is on a 45-70 cartridge ???? maybe you guys lube your
black powder bullets in the cartidges.. but a nornal 45-70 shot isnt lubed.

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Uuuuuhhh.... if you shoot Cast/Lead, you're going to shoot lubed (or PC'd)
And if "groove" lubed, that lube will exhaust itself as it squeezes out of those
grooves going down a (longer & longer) barrel.

(ALOX & PC, notwithstanding, which operate on different principles)


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A lube cookie solves the long barrel problem, even lubing the bullet tips after reloading works.

Bought the Quigley and it is heavy, now looking for another sharps or rolling block with 30" barrel for deer and elk hunting, this one is heavy. This is me getting it sighted at 200 yards with 405gr Remington factory ammo. Haven't shot black powder yet but have some 545gr postells ready in the batters box, but holding off for when I go to visit my father, I can shoot 1000 yards back in West Texas.

what load are you shooting that gives 2700 fps with a 300 gr bullet ? shooting any thing like that will bend or break your rifle pretty quick.

SPG fills my bullet grooves.

A lube [grease] cookie solves the long barrel problem

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True (and I use them in my (34") 45-3¼ to great effect.


(But...)
Grease-cookied ammunition cannot be loaded/stored for any long term.

SPG fills my bullet grooves.

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SPG, DGL, 50/50 Beeswax Lard/Crisco in (big/deep) grease grooves is the classic BP solution

(Now... if I'd only bought a lifetime supply of 1Fg ...last year)

There are two ways to deal with fouling at a BPCR match.
I learned the blow tube to keep the fouling moist. My sighter shots were equally fouling shots to get to a consistent "condition" for the string of fire. My Winchester would run that way for a whole silhouette match, maybe 50-56 shots. I ended up cleaning my Browning every relay, 14 shots or so for better accuracy.

The other school of thought, and a way to deal with those long long barrels or mini-groove bullets is to wipe every shot. You are on a time limit so it has to be quick, usually a wet patch and a dry patch, or a set of bore pigs - brush and squeegee combinations to be pushed through and let drop out the muzzle. This takes study to learn how wet the patch or pig needs to be for your barrel and load.
Way back at 19th century Creedmoor, the Irish said the American Remingtons and Sharps were no more accurate than their Rigby muzzleloaders but it was possible to wipe every shot with a breechloader as would be difficult with a muzzleloader.

MEHavey said:

True (and I use them in my (34") 45-3¼ to great effect.

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I understand the duplex load is a big help, too. Too bad the NRA Doesn't allow them.

JimWatson said:

I understand the duplex load is a big help, too. Too bad the NRA Doesn't allow them.

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With Ram Bash or Silhouette, I run the 38-55 HiWall* with just BP
and push a damp patch through/out the muzzle between shots



* (I wouldn't wish that 45-3¼ on anybody after a dozen rounds)

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Yes, wiping every shot seems to be the way to go, I think the blow tube is obsolete.
That sure isn't much powder; I thought my 40.6 gr was a light load in .38-55-335. But you are getting good velocity out of it.
Have you had much trouble ringing rams? I did and went to .40-65-404.