Which PCC?

Just an opinion here; I looked at the sub 2000 and almost bought it because it is smaller and folds up really nice for back packing . I said "almost" because I ended up buying the Ruger PCC 9mm. The polymer lower of the sub 2000 was a negative for me, may not be for you. I have polymer pistols that work fine, but in a carbine, I wanted an all metal frame. The glock magwell was another plus for the Ruger. I already had spare G19 mags and a couple 33rd mags. I've been happy with my decision so far.

I've been seriously looking at the Ruger PCC 9mm also.

Are you sold on a pistol caliber? Do you have a 5.56 carbine?

AR9s are fun, reliable, and have huge support for parts and accessories. That said, the CZ Skorpion Evo is a really neat package......

Hugger-4641 said:

Just an opinion here; I looked at the sub 2000 and almost bought it because it is smaller and folds up really nice for back packing . I said "almost" because I ended up buying the Ruger PCC 9mm. The polymer lower of the sub 2000 was a negative for me, may not be for you. I have polymer pistols that work fine, but in a carbine, I wanted an all metal frame. The glock magwell was another plus for the Ruger. I already had spare G19 mags and a couple 33rd mags. I've been happy with my decision so far.

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I was under the impression the only metal parts on the Ruger were the receiver and barrel- everything else including the trigger group, hammer, and magwell are plastic, no?

NIGHTLORD40K said:

I was under the impression the only metal parts on the Ruger were the receiver and barrel- everything else including the trigger group, hammer, and magwell are plastic, no?

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With steel "frames" at contact point with other metal parts

Gordon said:

With steel "frames" at contact point with other metal parts

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Gotcha.
I believe the Kel Tec has sheet steel imbedded within the poly shell in some spots as well?
Would love to find one of the very early Sub-2000s with the aluminum receiver......but I think those were only ever setup for Kel Tec mags too, so theres that.

I really wanted one of the Beretta CX-9s when they first came out, but then when I finally got to handle one, all I could think was, "Man, what a cheesy piece of plastic junk! Especially for the price!"

NIGHTLORD40K said:

I was under the impression the only metal parts on the Ruger were the receiver and barrel- everything else including the trigger group, hammer, and magwell are plastic, no?

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You are somewhat correct. But thr Ruger has a one piece reciever, which is metal, as well as the trigger and guard which are integral to the reciever. Only the external furniture is synthetic. The mag well is a combination of synthetic outer housing with metal insert and locking parts.

I have owned the S2000 and the Ruger PCC and sold both of them. The ergonomics of those carbines just didn't work for me, maybe I have a weird body. Ordered this on Saturday:
BLEM PSA Gen4 16" 9mm 1/10 Lightweight M-Lok Classic Rifle | Palmetto State Armory

I do like the AR style platform.

Hugger-4641 said:

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You are somewhat correct. But thr Ruger has a one piece reciever, which is metal, as well as the trigger and guard which are integral to the reciever. Only the external furniture is synthetic. The mag well is a combination of synthetic outer housing with metal insert and locking parts.
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Uh, well....the fire control group, i.e. trigger and guard, are definitely not integral (as in one solid piece) with the receiver-

In fact, isn't this the exact same assembly used in the 10/22? I could be wrong about the materials, though- looks like the PC uses a metal hammer and some small parts. But the housing is polymer, no?

I bought a Ruger 9mm PCC a year ago. Reliable and versatile,the only small complaint is it's bit heavy. I have the backpack for storage when in breakdown mode,it stores the barrel,stock,6 mags and a couple of boxes of 9mm. On your back,in a car trunk or with other luggage (hotel),it blends in. Mine has a RDS and I find it very accurate at 50 yds,which is the distance I would use practically,although Its probably effective out to 75 or so. In summary,it is a handy,surreptitious,effective firearm for use between handgun and rifle ranges. Being able to change mag wells between Ruger (comes with) and Glock mags a bonus if you have said pistol..

George Dickel said:

I have owned the S2000 and the Ruger PCC and sold both of them. The ergonomics of those carbines just didn't work for me, maybe I have a weird body. Ordered this on Saturday:
BLEM PSA Gen4 16" 9mm 1/10 Lightweight M-Lok Classic Rifle | Palmetto State Armory

I do like the AR style platform.

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I have that exact model and it is awesome!

I will say, the trigger failed to reset a few times on the first shooting trip. Cycling the safety lever would allow it to snap back. Took it home, gave it a good cleaning and lube job and it has been flawless ever since. Surprisingly accurate too!

NIGHTLORD40K said:

Uh, well....the fire control group, i.e. trigger and guard, are definitely not integral (as in one solid piece) with the receiver-
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In fact, isn't this the exact same assembly used in the 10/22? I could be wrong about the materials, though- looks like the PC uses a metal hammer and some small parts. But the housing is polymer, no?

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It could be polymer, I haven't actually removed mine yet like you have. I don't think the trigger group is the exact same as the 10/22, but the design is definitely the same.

I find my Ruger PC9 is a 10/22 on steroids. I’ve enjoyed it with the Glock magwell set up and have found it has fired every time for roughly 750/800 rounds or so. Certainly nothing like a long term test, but it’s been fun so far.
I did loctite the screws holding the action and the forearm to the stock, as they would work loose every 30-40 shots.
I will be adding a red dot once I swap one out on my AR. Then I’ll zero it at 50 yds. and have at it .

Once you get a 9mm or .40 PCC I think you’ll really like it.

Stay safe.

NIGHTLORD40K said:

I have that exact model and it is awesome!

I will say, the trigger failed to reset a few times on the first shooting trip. Cycling the safety lever would allow it to snap back. Took it home, gave it a good cleaning and lube job and it has been flawless ever since. Surprisingly accurate too!

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Great, I wondered how reliable it would be. I bought a pistol length (11.5") upper in 5.56 from them and it has functioned flawlessly.

George Dickel said:

Great, I wondered how reliable it would be. I bought a pistol length (11.5") upper in 5.56 from them and it has functioned flawlessly.

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I couldnt find any "blemishes" either, lol. In fact, if you read the product reviews on PSAs website, almost nobody who bought one could!

I have 2 PCCs; a Hi-Point 995 and a No.4 Enfield re-barreled to .45 ACP. I did not like the cheek weld on the KelTec, a CX4 Beretta was crazy expensive, so I got the HP995 and couldn't be happier. An ATI stock and 20 round mags really improve on the original.

I have one of the old Marlin Camp9 carbines, but if I were looking today I'd look seriously at the Ruger PCC. I've handled the Ruger, and it does seem heavier than my Marlin, but very solid with some desirable features. With all the AR types and others available now days, certainly no shortage of PCC options.

The Keltec is a hoot. Was debating between it and the Ruger, and the light weight of the Sub 2K won me over.

I have the PSA AR-9 8” barreled pistol that takes Glock mags as I have a Glock 9mm also. I absolutely love this thing and it gets easily 400 rounds every range trip and I almost have to beat the kids to get it back so I can shoot it. 24” head to tail and completely reliable so far after only about 4500 rounds.

Pretty much all of the PCCs are great plinkers. Most are accurate to the point of boredom. The High Points are cheap and fun if you get past the ugly (I can't). The Rugers aren't much better in the looks department but if cash is an issue that or a Sub 2K might be your best bet. I have a CX4 which is one of the very few poly guns I own and it has been perfectly reliable and fun to shoot. I picked up a Colt AR9 and it was so good it relegated the CX4 to safe duty. I then picked up an SP5 and added a brace. Now the Colt is getting dusty.

What caliber is it your wanting the most?
What will be use?

I’ve got lever actions in 45colt,44mag and 357s

Hi points in 45 and 9

Really depends on the purpose of intended carbine.


My 38/357 is my most Favorite & Useful. Can do what all others can do- yet not as well.

Ps- Packs up nice and neat also

For me it's a Kahr Thompson, Original Ruger PC9, and a Miroku 1892 button mag in .45 Colt. They all have different functions.