Help me out with Pietta, Uberti and their re-branders, please

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I've started looking for a SA .45, because I'm old, and now naturally want to be a cowboy. :)

Rugers are unobtainium these days, and I'm hearing the Italian clones are very viable guns nowadays, so I'm looking at those.

The issue I'm running in to is trying to make sense of how the different models vary from each other; transfer bars, trick firing pins and traditional 'four-click' actions aren't really called out on the manufacturer's website, and seldom mentioned on their re-sellers (Taylor, Cimmaron) sites either.

And just for the record, I'm actually after a gun with a transfer bar (like the Ruger), just because it's 2022, and guns that aren't drop-safe aren't really that interesting to me at this point. Feel free to hate me for that.

Appreciate any help or pointers.

Larry
 
This is just what I have read on the internet and confirmed by my LGS. Any of the reproductions made by Uberti. Pietta, Cimmaron, Taylor, etc. all come out of the Uberti factory door. Taylor is said to assemble their offering and offer two versions of tuning. I can say that the Taylor I tried at my LGS had a better trigger than the Cimmaron on the shelf beside it. I was considering buying the Cimmaron but after comparing them the trigger and 1860 Army grip on the Taylor convinced me to take it home although the price was 40 bucks higher. Ruger single actions in any shape, form, or caliber are non-existant in my bailiwick except for the cheesy wranglers.
 
doubleh said:
This is just what I have read on the internet and confirmed by my LGS. Any of the reproductions made by Uberti. Pietta, Cimmaron, Taylor, etc. all come out of the Uberti factory door. Taylor is said to assemble their offering and offer two versions of tuning. I can say that the Taylor I tried at my LGS had a better trigger than the Cimmaron on the shelf beside it. I was considering buying the Cimmaron but after comparing them the trigger and 1860 Army grip on the Taylor convinced me to take it home although the price was 40 bucks higher. Ruger single actions in any shape, form, or caliber are non-existant in my bailiwick except for the cheesy wranglers.
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Uberti and Pietta are both independent manufacturers. Separate companies like Colt and S&W. Direct Competitors.
 
ontarget said:
Uberti and Pietta are both independent manufacturers. Separate companies like Colt and S&W. Direct Competitors.
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Yes, and the guns themselves (although the same model, such as an SAA) are distinctly different.

That's not to say that, in the past, tooling has not been swapped between Italian manufacturers. I have a Pedersoli M1861 musket that's absolutely identical to a Euroarms one made years earlier. And a Eurorarms (Armi San Paolo) Remmie that bears a strong resemblance to an Uberti one. But Uberti and Pietta -- poles apart.
 
doubleh said:
This is just what I have read on the internet and confirmed by my LGS. Any of the reproductions made by Uberti. Pietta, Cimmaron, Taylor, etc. all come out of the Uberti factory door. Taylor is said to assemble their offering and offer two versions of tuning. I can say that the Taylor I tried at my LGS had a better trigger than the Cimmaron on the shelf beside it. I was considering buying the Cimmaron but after comparing them the trigger and 1860 Army grip on the Taylor convinced me to take it home although the price was 40 bucks higher. Ruger single actions in any shape, form, or caliber are non-existant in my bailiwick except for the cheesy wranglers.
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Ruger Blackhawk's are a far cry from any real SSA The action is completly different in the way they load among other things such as dimentions and weight
 
deadeye dick said:
Ruger Blackhawk's are a far cry from any real SSA The action is completly different in the way they load among other things such as dimentions and weight
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Oh, really? I had no idea.:eek:

Having owned Ruger single actions starting in the early sixties with a single six I kind of had that figuered out. As far as I am concerned the Ruger is an improvement in the design. As to the Uberti/Pietta thing I was recently in the LGS when the subject of who makes what in the clone world came up and after mentioning both makers he said that it is all Uberti now. Don't know, don't really care. Just repeating what someone that has a very close eye on the industry told me.
 
I've got 2 Single Sixes, 2 Blackhawks, 1 Super Blackhawk, and 2 Vaqueros. The Single Sixes are the only ones that rest the firing pin on the cap. Ruger will install transfer bars at no cost and will send back all original parts if you want to return the gun to it's original condition. They won't sell you any parts if you don't.
The only Cimmaron I can say anything about is a .22 a friend had. I wasn't impressed, and it spit lead. They may have gotten better by now.
( The 4 clicks is actually 5. 3 hammer notches and 2 bolt/cylinder stop clicks.)
 
I have a Pietta and a Uberti/Taylor's, both in .45 Colt. I bought the Pietta here in So-Cal from EMF Co. in Orange Co., from my understanding they are the sole importer of Pietta revolvers to the USA with several distributors. Not sure who may import the Uberti/Taylor's, more than likely Taylor's. Really like them both.
 
doubleh said:
I can say that the Taylor I tried at my LGS had a better trigger than the Cimmaron on the shelf beside it. .. but after comparing them the trigger and 1860 Army grip on the Taylor convinced me to take it home although the price was 40 bucks higher.
Ruger single actions in any shape, form, or caliber are non-existant in my bailiwick except for the cheesy wranglers.
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Ruger single actions are scarce in my area and I live only 140 miles north east of the Newport NH plant.

So, I too have been looking at the Taylor Gun fighter or Uberti branded ElPatrone with "grizzly grip" - both with "army" grip. Cannot decide between them ?
Looking for actual user feedback?
 
I got a Cimmaron, made by Uberti, NiB a year or so ago. It has a very smooth action and trigger. The only thing limiting its accuracy are the small sights and my mediocre skills. It's just a range toy, so I don't feel like I need a safety mechanism.

I have various Single Sixes and Blackhawks, which do have transfer bar safeties. My old Super Blackhawk does not have a transfer bar safety. The Cimmaron and SBH have smoother actions and better triggers than the Rugers with transfer bars. I shoot the Rugers just fine and I'm not complaining, but the action has a very different feel.

This is the Cimmaron base model. It was very affordable and I am very pleased with it. :)

Cimarron Model P in 357 magnum

Cimarron Model P in 357 magnum

 
doubleh said:
As far as I am concerned the Ruger is an improvement in the design.
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I don't really care for the Ruger SA's. With their boxy lines and weight, they have a sort of Baikal-esque feel to them. How are they an improvement in the design?

doubleh said:
As to the Uberti/Pietta thing I was recently in the LGS when the subject of who makes what in the clone world came up and after mentioning both makers he said that it is all Uberti now. Don't know, don't really care. Just repeating what someone that has a very close eye on the industry told me.
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Like someone else said, you need to find another gun shop. Not only are Pietta and Uberti two completely different manufacturers, their physically different with the Uberti being slightly larger than the Pietta.

35W
 
I have shot or been involved with Cowboy Action Shooting for years. Since I shoot Rugers exclusively I do not know much about the Italian “clones” and quite honestly my eyes glaze over when people start talking about them. Since it appears your questions haven’t really been answered, OP, I compiled some websites that might help you a little.

Like I said, I don’t know much about the Italian guns. I do know there is a lot of confusion about some of them.

I hope this helps.

http://piettausa.com/Single-Action-Revolvers_c_26.html

https://1873coltsandclones.wordpress.com/2014/06/13/armi-san-marco-manufacturer-overview/

https://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1873-Great-Western-II-Revolvers-c64.htm

https://www.uberti-usa.com/1873-single-action-cattleman-revolvers/

http://sackpeterson.com/models/dakota.html

https://taylorsfirearms.com/hand-guns/cartridge-revolvers/1873-single-action-revolver-series.html

https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/
 
Two of the three traditional appearing SAAs that I have (an original Ruger Vaquero and a Beretta Stampede), use a transfer bar safety. But because I have several other older single actions (EMF ASM Hartford Model, Ruger Blackhawk, and a Ruger Single Six), I load all of them with 5 rounds so I'm on the same page safety-wise when shooting any of them.
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bannockburn said:
Two of the three traditional appearing SAAs that I have (an original Ruger Vaquero and a Beretta Stampede), use a transfer bar safety. But because I have several other older single actions (EMF ASM Hartford Model, Ruger Blackhawk, and a Ruger Single Six), I load all of them with 5 rounds so I'm on the same page safety-wise when shooting any of them.
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Same here on loading 5 for consistency across all of my SAs. Since I have both drop safe and non drop safe revolvers it just makes sense to do it that way.
 
ontarget
Same here on loading 5 for consistency across all of my SAs. Since I have both drop safe and non drop safe revolvers it just makes sense to do it that way.
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Plus it makes your ammo box look neater and more organized when you're working with 50 rounds!
 
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