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Do you do any smoothing/tuning/whatever to new Uberti/pietta guns, or just replace the springs? And if you replace the springs in new guns, why and with what please?
Help me out with Pietta, Uberti and their re-branders, please
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If concerned about "drop-safe", understand that a SAA is customarily loaded with an empty chamber under the hammer. I recently purchased a 45 Colt and went for the Pietta Great Western (GW) II as about the only player in that price range to have a traditional 4-click action. Even then, the first click is far less distinct than on my earlier Uberti El Patron 4-click (no longer made 4-click).
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I used to do a lot of that and always noted it took more work to get my Colt New Frontier smooth than any of my Italian guns. Lately though, it hasn't seemed necessary. Virtually all of these guns are oversprung to overcome the inherent roughness in their actions. I've used springs from Wolff, Wisner, all sorts of sources. If I needed some now, I'd just order the Wolff kits. Seems some of the later guns don't need springs either though. They've all gotten better.
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I have the same Pietta 1873 GW II in .45 Colt and it's a very well built gun. It does indeed have the 4 click. And it came with a .45 acp cylinder, which I use a lot. No flies on the Pietta's.
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I'll be your huckleberry....
I have two Taylor's in 38-40 and 32-20 and two Pietta's in .45 ---- the Taylor's actions are much smoother and nicer than the straight factory Pietta's- The Taylor's clicks are sharp and pronounced....worth a couple extra bucks in my book....
The "drop safe" issue? DON'T DROP THEM!
Load 5 for safety -
Load 6 if your insides tells you to......
I have two Taylor's in 38-40 and 32-20 and two Pietta's in .45 ---- the Taylor's actions are much smoother and nicer than the straight factory Pietta's- The Taylor's clicks are sharp and pronounced....worth a couple extra bucks in my book....
The "drop safe" issue? DON'T DROP THEM!
Load 5 for safety -
Load 6 if your insides tells you to......
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They are all the same and all different.
If you want authentic, get a Colt.
The Taylor is better quality, fit and finish.
The Uberti and Pietta are good guns, each model is different.
Find and and buy it. If you like it, great. If you don't, they are easy to sell.
A Ruger may cost a few bucks more, but are quality. Costs were closer together before the DEMpanic.
Italians are 1 year, 2 year, 5 year warrant.
Ruger is lifetime. Ruger is American made and they stand behind their product.
I have 2 Single Sixes, an Old Model and New Model. I have 3 Blackhawk, 1 Old Model and 2 New Model. I have 1 Super Blackhawk New Model. I have 1 Vaquero New Model.
If you want authentic, get a Colt.
The Taylor is better quality, fit and finish.
The Uberti and Pietta are good guns, each model is different.
Find and and buy it. If you like it, great. If you don't, they are easy to sell.
A Ruger may cost a few bucks more, but are quality. Costs were closer together before the DEMpanic.
Italians are 1 year, 2 year, 5 year warrant.
Ruger is lifetime. Ruger is American made and they stand behind their product.
I have 2 Single Sixes, an Old Model and New Model. I have 3 Blackhawk, 1 Old Model and 2 New Model. I have 1 Super Blackhawk New Model. I have 1 Vaquero New Model.
RealGun
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A Ruger New Vaquero is a different gun that is made to just resemble a SAA. It is more expensive BECAUSE it is made in the USA, even higher by comparison to those subject to import duty, not because it is inherently better. I had many problems with mine, back and forth with my gunsmith or Ruger, and one issue with a broken Uberti that Cimarron fixed under warranty. We know the New Vaquero as more rugged for how we use them in CAS. Ruger warranties may not be in effect so much with the work done to make the guns into a gamer. Either that or you risk getting the gun back with all the mods removed. I think it is more a matter of dealing with cowboy gunsmiths.
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What?
Vaquero is different MODEL than a Blackhawk or a Single Six. No difference than MODEL in the Italians.
There are buyers that choose what to buy BECAUSE it is MADE IN AMERICA.
Lifetime warranty is better quality than 1 year.
None of my Rugers, which includes SP101, 10-22s, have EVER been sent back.
A 7 Mag Ruger 77 MkII was modified by my gunsmith to add a muzzlebrake.
IF they were sent to Ruger, nothing internal has been touched.
Vaquero is different MODEL than a Blackhawk or a Single Six. No difference than MODEL in the Italians.
There are buyers that choose what to buy BECAUSE it is MADE IN AMERICA.
Lifetime warranty is better quality than 1 year.
None of my Rugers, which includes SP101, 10-22s, have EVER been sent back.
A 7 Mag Ruger 77 MkII was modified by my gunsmith to add a muzzlebrake.
IF they were sent to Ruger, nothing internal has been touched.
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Wow!!!! I drive a BMW that was made in 1988, sold by an American owned car dealership, maintained by an American service company, has had replacement parts sold to me by American suppliers, tires sold by American companies, insured by an American company, fuled by American owned gas stations. I'd say the Germans got the short end of the stick and I still have an amazing classic!!! Don't feel in the least guilty!!! The American version just didn't. . . . oh, there wasn't an American version . . . it's always nice to have "options" without settling . . . next is a Porsche 911 . . .
- Anyway, yes, Italians make several Models, so do American companies.
- Some buyers can't afford the American made version so buy an Italian example from an American importer. ($500.00 vs $2000.00 +)
- If it's good enough quality, 1 yr is as good as a lifetime . . .
- lots of posts on these threads and on other forums to the contrary of Rugers being sent back because of an issue . . .
- no comment or reason to (since this wasn't about S.A. revolvers)
- if the internals weren't touched, they weren't the problem or were up to date.
So . . . buy what you WANT if it's not American and hope that one day an American company can make a better one, rather than just supporting American services that support the "foreign" offering.
If our commerce stopped at our boarders, it would (obviously) be a different story . . .
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My first SA's were Uberti's that I used for CAS, four of them. But I decided I needed a good utility-type SA in 45 Colt that I could carry and use for hunting. So I chose a 4 5/8" Ruger NV for the same reason most do; the assumption because they're made in the U.S.A., that they're better than the Italian revolvers. I was wrong.
First there was the cylinder throats that had to be opened because they were too small in relation to the groove diameter of the barrel. Next there was the restriction in the barrel where it screwed into the frame, a very common problem I was to learn. I fired sixty something lapping bullets the make this problem better, not eliminate it, just make it better. For some reason Ruger designed these revolvers so that the bolt pops far in advance of the cylinder notch, which messed with the timing, which leaves a nasty score on the cylinder, so I corrected that (My Flat Top Blackhawk had the same problem). The hammer spur was too long for my tastes, so I fitted a Bisley hammer. Working on the trigger pull was very tedious, to say the least, but I got it lightened. After all that work, it was only ho-hum accurate and compared to my Uberti's, felt heavy and clunky in the hand. I later found out that a 4 5/8" NV in 45 Colt was 3 oz. heavier than a 4 3/4" Uberti in 45 Colt, so it was little wonder that it felt "heavy'....it was! So I sold it and ultimately would up with a 4 3/4" Uberti Frisco that had been a demo in a gun shop. All I did to it was replaced the bolt/trigger spring with a wire example which lightened the trigger pull 1 lb. The throats are correct, the timing is perfect, it has a nice, crisp 3 lb. trigger pull, the front sight is slightly thicker and easier to see than the NV, the rear sight notch is deeper than the NV, the revolver balances like a dream and is just about as accurate at 75 yds. as my New Vaquero was at 50 yds.
I own several Ruger; SA and DA revolvers as well as M77 rifles. None of them have ever had to go back for warranty. But, I've owned far more Uberti's than Ruger's and none of them have ever gone back for work either.
And FWIW, I never did kill anything with my NV but have killed several deer, a couple of hogs and a javelina with various Uberti SA's.
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Anecdotes about having no returns to Ruger do not negate real cases of the back and forth that has occurred on some guns. Out of a dozen or so Ruger revolvers, I believe I have only one that never went back or went to my gunsmith to work around what Ruger might change without request. Mostly it was about cylinder issues, which I recall mention that they have made under contract. That said, I have one Cimarron 38 with inconsistent chamber diameters, making ejection sticky on some chambers.
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Luckily, we have choices.
Had the discussion been 1911, the conversation would not have changed.
Had it been Glock vs Sig vs Springfield, the convo would have bend the same.
Had it been Ford vs Chevy vs Toyo, it would have been the same.
Look at all of the Heritage Rough Rider threads.
Love em? Great, enjoy
Hate em? I got ya, enjoy what you have.
How about vaxxes? Let the discussion happen, but keep the choices.
Look at autos. American "made" vs imported. Many American "made" are American "assembled", not much difference in the imports.
Have a good day, or not, it is your decision.
Had the discussion been 1911, the conversation would not have changed.
Had it been Glock vs Sig vs Springfield, the convo would have bend the same.
Had it been Ford vs Chevy vs Toyo, it would have been the same.
Look at all of the Heritage Rough Rider threads.
Love em? Great, enjoy
Hate em? I got ya, enjoy what you have.
How about vaxxes? Let the discussion happen, but keep the choices.
Look at autos. American "made" vs imported. Many American "made" are American "assembled", not much difference in the imports.
Have a good day, or not, it is your decision.
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Glad you agree!! My point exactly! If what you want isn't made in the U.S., then you only have 2 choices . . .
Therefore, at least we can support American owned suppliers/businesses for what we have.
Mike
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Just checked the date on my .357 Uberti Cattleman Hombre, it's a 2013 (CL). I bought it in 2016, so NOS. Box was shopworn, not a problem at $269 out the door.
It had a leaf trigger spring which I changed to a wire spring because of reading they were a known weak point in all brands of single actions. I will probably not shoot it enough to make a failure occur, but it was cheap enough to not have to worry about it. The original is in the box if a future owner ever wants to restore it.
It's a 4 click action, but has a little projection under the hammer mounted firing pin, so maybe some sort of safety. It also has the cylinder pin which can be pushed back to make it a safety, but I leave it alone and it leaves me alone.
Great gun, except for the cheap matte crinkly finish it came with, which I hated. Took it down and reblued it, now very happy overall with this gun.
It had a leaf trigger spring which I changed to a wire spring because of reading they were a known weak point in all brands of single actions. I will probably not shoot it enough to make a failure occur, but it was cheap enough to not have to worry about it. The original is in the box if a future owner ever wants to restore it.
It's a 4 click action, but has a little projection under the hammer mounted firing pin, so maybe some sort of safety. It also has the cylinder pin which can be pushed back to make it a safety, but I leave it alone and it leaves me alone.
Great gun, except for the cheap matte crinkly finish it came with, which I hated. Took it down and reblued it, now very happy overall with this gun.
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I've started looking for a SA .45, because I'm old, and now naturally want to be a cowboy.
This shows all the things you can do as a cowboy with your SA. It's never too late...
CraigC
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I've bought 78 Rugers and 29 Uberti's in my lifetime. I cannot say that Rugers are better. I will say they are more durable but even that is often overblown. I will also say that Uberti's are better fitted and finished, without question. How anyone concludes that Rugers are "better" is beyond me. I will also say that a Ruger Vaquero and a Colt SAA or quality replica do not scratch the same itch.
Rugers have no warranty at all, lifetime or otherwise.
Rugers have no warranty at all, lifetime or otherwise.
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I have only owned two Ubertis they were both terrible pieces of junk. All Rugers I have owned are good reliable firearms. My Blackhawk convertible shoots extremely well.
The El Patron is the only firearm I have ever owned in 40 years that was so bad the manufacturer wrote me a refund check after the second replacement failed out of the box.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ompetition-range-report.891504/#post-12090336
The El Patron is the only firearm I have ever owned in 40 years that was so bad the manufacturer wrote me a refund check after the second replacement failed out of the box.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ompetition-range-report.891504/#post-12090336
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RealGun
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My El Patron Belleza is a keeper and has not failed with heavy use in CAS, all stock because it was light and smooth straight from the box. My Cimarron Lightning by Uberti broke and had the internals rebuilt without charge or return shipping fee.
SwampWolf
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Okay, I won't.
hawg
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.
DC Plumber
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I can't answer the OPs question directly, but i just bought a Taylors 1873 cattleman with 4.75" barrel in 45 colt. Haven't even shot it yet. I just liaded up some 250g lswc with 5.5g of trailboss. I wasn't concerned with safety bars or any such device. The fit and finish is very nice, better than my dad's vaquero in my opinion. For $520 it was a great deal and as long as it goes bang, I'll be very very pleased. Great quality Uberti.
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Referring to CAS competition, LSWC can be a problem in a rifle. A smoother ogive, less of a leading band, in the bullet profile will run better. I use that load with a RNFP, but it is a handful in pistols when trying to shoot quickly. Going to 200 gr helped, but I ended up finding Cowboy Special (45CS) 160 gr to be a real advantage for staying on target and better times.
I like hearing that...
Less competition for me. I've bought a ton of guns, new and used off of Gunbroker.
I didn't realized that you're only a year older than me.
I started with a Colt Series 70 Govt in 1988. Didn't start enjoying single actions till about 8 years ago.
Briefly owned a 45 Colt Ruger Vaquero Bisley in my 20s. Traded it off on something else long forgotten.
Edited to add - getting back on topic. It would be nice to know (have a list) what importers import what guns - Uberti or Pietta?
EMF is Pietta.
Traditions is Pietta
Taylor's is Uberti
Stoeger is Uberti
Cimarron is Uberti & Pietta
Cabella's is Uberti
EAA is Weihrauch - Germany
Taurus - Brazil
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Cimarron sells Pietta as well. I have a Pietta "Frontier" in 45C. My first ever Pietta version of a Mod P. There'll be a post of it . . . (yikes!!)
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