https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=ruger vaquero&Sort=13I only saw 1 1/2 pages. Come on man, this isn't an election year.
My point was is that they are there all the time and not unobtanium as the OP said. And as for your election year comment....You need to be somewhat more specific with your search criteria. There are only 46 Ruger "Vaqueros" on GB right now. Grips and holsters don't count.
https://www.gunbroker.com/Revolvers/search?PageSize=24&Sort=13&View=1&PageIndex=2&Ch-manufacturerName=Ruger / Sturm, Ruger & Co.&Ch-model=Vaquero
That's different from the current retractable firing pin. Either system can be replaced with a plain hammer, something I did with mine for the sake of authenticity. At least until a couple of years ago, VTI still had the older Uberti parts. (The other thing I replaced was the "Swiss safety" base pin.)My Uberti/Cimarron has a firing pin block but it has four clicks. It was made in 2000. You can see the external part just under the firing pin.
. (The other thing I replaced was the "Swiss safety" base pin.)
There is a lot of confusion on this subject. When the retracting firing pin came out a few years ago, I called Cimarron and asked them if Uberti had completely done away with the 4-click models. The Cimarron employee told me they had, but Cimarron still offered a 4-click model in their black powder frame. The kicker was that these were made by Pietta, not Uberti. That was several years ago and things could've changed.
35W
I have to admit, I didn't count GB as a source, since I really doubt I'll ever use it to buy a gun.My point was is that they are there all the time and not unobtanium as the OP said. And as for your election year comment....
I have 3 Uberti revolvers that I am very fond of.
4.75 in 45 Colt. EL PATRON
3.5 in Birdshead 45 Colt
5.5 in 357. EL PATRON
I've seen Stoeger Uberti. Is that made for Stoeger by Aberti? Better? Worse?
OnTarget:I have 3 Uberti revolvers that I am very fond of.
4.75 in 45 Colt. EL PATRON
3.5 in Birdshead 45 Colt
5.5 in 357. EL PATRON
My point was is that they are there all the time and not unobtanium as the OP said. And as for your election year comment....
OnTarget:
Do you feel the El Patron models were enhanced enough to support their additional cost ? In my opinion, the tweaks
Uberti indicate they do to ElPatrones should be part of the initial build,
Not $100+ more option ?
Thanks,
Nero ?
I have to admit, I didn't count GB as a source, since I really doubt I'll ever use it to buy a gun.
All the local shops, as well as the distributor's they use (like Davidson's) have 0 Vaqueros, Blackhawks or Single-Sixes. The only Ruger SA's available are Wranglers.
Larry
If you're comparing a Ruger NV to Uberti produced revolvers, the NV's are not stronger at all. That's gunshop talk and internet assumption.
As to the subject of coil springs, I ran across this awhile back on one of the Smith & Wesson forums-
As an engineering professor - teaching mechanical engineering design - if the two types of springs are designed properly, there should be no difference in their reliability. Whether that is actually done will determine which will fail first, if either.
Guess that's why S&W is still using them in so many of their revolvers.
35W
This is why they tend to fail so frequently (Sept fer Hawg !!! Lol ).
While I would agree with the premise, I believe the "quality" aspect isn't perfect in our Italian offerings concerning the flat springs. They tend to be too thick, too wide, and/or too short. That generally means they are too strong for the task and have to move too far during the task. This is why they tend to fail so frequently (Sept fer Hawg !!! Lol ). Quite often revolvers show up with broken springs or have been replaced with wire versions of the same thing. The wire version is really just a modern iteration of the flats and though they may be somewhat more forgiving, do break and a bigger down side is a loss of action "feel" and "snappy" sound clues that the flats give you. In other words, a "mushier" feel and a muffled sound that would possibly indicate a cracked spring if it were a flat spring.
Enter the coil-torsion spring and compression springs used in the 3screw Ruger action. I would say these are the perfect type of spring for the action in a S.A. revolver. The parts movement can't "over extend" or stress the springs capability like they do with the flats, even though the trigger, bolt and hand have rather minimum movement!! Another plus using individual springs (rather than the combo spring) is a more precise tension setting for the trigger and bolt. So, you end up with lazy springs that won't be "over worked" but do the job needed leaving the real "heavy work" for the remaining flat spring - the main spring. That spring IS the perfect force for the intended job!!
The flat spring is perfect for moving heavy payloads fast! Coils don't like to move fast.
That's just been my experience, to my knowledge, no coil-torsions have broken to date.
Mike
I like the Pietta revolvers. We are seeing them taking market share from Uberti in cowboy action circles due to concerns, whether justified or not, about the Cattleman 2 system.Well, I've ordered a Pietta 1873. I'm anxiously awaiting its shipment to my FFL, and would welcome any info on it from those with experience.
Larry