Lee Pro 6000 unboxing and testing for OAL consistency

1) Cup of driver clutch fell out and did not get put back in.
2) Cup of driver clutch cross broken out
3) Index rod not put back in.
4) Shell plate loose on drive bolt

In reading Don's posts it is not #1 or #3. Could be #2 caused a "jam" and he is looking into it.
#4 could have caused the "jam" if the shell plate came installed and loose.
No reason stated yet for possible "jam" other than shell plate not rotating fully to next station for some reason.

GD
 
A guy on CastBoolits ... He put it back together, and now it won't advance to the next station.
1) Cup of driver clutch fell out and did not get put back in.
2) Cup of driver clutch cross broken out
3) Index rod not put back in.
4) Shell plate loose on drive bolt

In reading Don's posts it is not #1 or #3. Could be #2 caused a "jam" and he is looking into it.
#4 could have caused the "jam" if the shell plate came installed and loose.
No reason stated yet for possible "jam" other than shell plate not rotating fully to next station for some reason.

Have that guy log onto THR and we can help him.

I think we need more information as to what caused the lock up of shellplate from rotating.
Here's the OP - https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sh...urney-Starts&p=5489337&viewfull=1#post5489337

"... Loaded up the tubes by hand and it jammed on the second tube...about 15 cases in. As I ran the rest of the cases through, the shell plate is not indexing fast enough and/or will "hiccup". Works if I go slow and watch it but that is unacceptable.

Took shell plate off to lube the underside but that did not help. Had some issues getting it back together.

Not indexing so it looks like the driver clutch is damaged. Too frustrated to take it apart now and we are leaving soon to visit friends."
"Loaded up the tubes by hand and it jammed on the second tube...about 15 cases in. As I ran the rest of the cases through, the shell plate is not indexing fast enough and/or will 'hiccup'. Works if I go slow and watch it but that is unacceptable." - Shellplate rotation is determined by cross slots of bottom gear turning with the twist in the index bar. So faster the shellplate carrier is moved through the twist, faster the shellplate rotation. Any "hiccup" indicates there's something not working properly to index the shellplate.

I just cycled the press to the extreme starting with 1 index cycle per second ending up with sustained 2 index cycles per second for around 20 cycles (I doubt if any reloader will cycle the press at this high rate of cycling). There was no hang up, hiccup or primer slider hesitating (My primer slider spring end has been squeezed with pliers already and do not contact the tabs).

So I am not sure what happened to his press operation and look forward to what he finds when he disassembled the press.
 
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He's working on it. Got is going without taking apart.

Found shell plate loose which caused indexing issue.

I might guess jam issue also.

Seems I remember someone else had loose shell plate from factory also.

GD
 
Seems I remember someone else had loose shell plate from factory also.
When I was setting mine up, I didn't find the shell plate to be extremely tight....certainly nothing close to the tight you need with a Hornady or Dillon.

It might be just my perception, buy I believe a lot has to do with the off-set ram. To limit tilt with progressives with centered ram, shell plates have to be very tightly secured to the ram. With the ram off-set and tilt limited at the highest pressure point (sizing) the plate only needs to be tight enough to make contact with the Driver Clutch (?) which is rotated by the Index Rod.
 
Found shell plate loose which caused indexing issue.
Wait, I thought he already took the shellplate off? And shellplate does not need lubrication as it is a "floating" shellplate design.
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Took shell plate off to lube the underside but that did not help. Had some issues getting it back together
So he didn't tighten the shellplate after removing to lube the underside?
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I found the shell plate was a bit loose and that was the issue. Once tightened down it indexes.
 
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Wait, I thought he already took the shellplate off? And shellplate does not need lubrication as it is a "floating" shellplate design.

Yea, "had issues getting it back together" so his error. Live and learn. Yea, lube under shell plate will probably make a mess.

Still no idea on jam though.

When I was setting mine up, I didn't find the shell plate to be extremely tight....certainly nothing close to the tight you need with a Hornady or Dillon.

It might be just my perception, buy I believe a lot has to do with the off-set ram. To limit tilt with progressives with centered ram, shell plates have to be very tightly secured to the ram. With the ram off-set and tilt limited at the highest pressure point (sizing) the plate only needs to be tight enough to make contact with the Driver Clutch (?) which is rotated by the Index Rod.

Should not need to be very tight, just "Lightly tighten" per Lee instructions/manual. Direction of rotation will tighten also.

GD
 
Correction to post #173 (With happy ending :p) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...r-oal-consistency.911743/page-7#post-12467859

NOTE: I was posting at night tired after mowing the acreage in the afternoon and got my post information mixed up, but the priming rod/pin rubbing the top shellplate carrier cover hole after reassembly could still be an issue.

This is the information I posted on post #18 regarding reassembly of shellplate carrier covers (NOTE: I numbered the bulleted steps for easier reference) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ing-for-oal-consistency.911743/#post-12443441

6. Reassembly - Reassembly is essentially reverse of disassembly steps with following tips:

Reattach top shellplate carrier to bottom plastic cover:

  1. Raise shellplate carrier body with ram lever
  2. Install detent spring/ball, priming rod/spring, place index spindle on top of plastic gear inside the bottom cover
  3. Use the ram lever to lower the shellplate carrier body on top of the bottom cover and ensure detent ball and priming rod/spring are not knocked off
  4. Tilt the back of carrier top so primer attachment could clear the frame supports
  5. May need to hold the top/bottom carrier covers with one hand while tightening two flat head screws
  6. Raise carrier up to tighten the pan head screw from the bottom

Step #5 can be accomplished in two ways that I did not clarify in my steps:
  • After the shellplate carrier is lowered and top cover placed, both top and bottom covers are held with one hand while entire shellplate carrier with untightened covers are raised to release the spring tension on the priming rod/pin then two flathead screws are tightened with short stubby screwdriver.
  • After the shellplate carrier is lowered and top cover placed, two flathead screws are tightened with short stubby screwdriver while holding down top cover due to priming rod/pin spring tension.
During my initial disassembly/reassembly, I intuitively tightened the two flathead screws with left hand holding both top and bottom covers to the shellplate carrier body and this allowed tightening of screws with untensioned priming rod/pin spring.

But when I disassembled/reassembled to take picture of priming rod/pin hole of bottom cover, I tightened the flathead screws with the shellplate carrier body and covers at the lowered position that tensioned the priming rod/pin spring and this resulted in priming rod/pin rubbing the top cover hole which hindered primer guide from entering station #2 freely/fully.

I disassembled and reassembled the shellplate carrier covers like ten times to verify and tightening the two flathead screws with shellplate carrier at the bottom position resulted in varying degrees of priming rod/pin rubbing the top cover hole while tightening the two flathead screws with shellplate carrier/covers slightly raised to release priming rod/pin spring tension resulted in free movement of priming rod/pin (Raising the shellplate carrier/cover slightly also allows pushing the priming rod/pin from the bottom to check for rubbing/binding).

So, when disassembling and reassembling the shellplate carrier covers, release the priming rod/pin spring tension by raising the carrier with covers slightly, tighten the two flathead screws, check the priming rod/pin that it can move up and down freely, then tighten the panhead screw at the bottom cover and this will allow the primer guide to freely/fully enter station #2 without hesitation.
 
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Happy to report that I finally have my 9mm version of the 6000 Pro mounted. Took me a while this afternoon, to figure out that the case feeder setup drops cases on the shuttle then runs even further open before it decides to return to the lonely case just sitting there on the rail, by itself. ;) That's just weird to me, but I guess along as nothing shakes it off it works. Hopefully Murphy never finds out.

I have a Lee 9mm sizer in station 1; RCBS Uniflow powder measure with powder thru expander/M style, in 2; RCBS Lockout die in 3; A 3Dprinted bullet feeder die in 4; and a Seater/crimper from the 9mm die set in 5. I would like to find a separate crimper for station 6, I dunno, maybe I'll just buy a Factory Crimp die? or find a taper crimp die....thoughts?

BTW, I removed the deprimer in the sizer, because I now deprime on my Lee APP, then tumble them to eye hurting bling in my Thumbler's wet tumbler......that's a personal physical (ok, psycho) need for 73 year old eyes! Period!

The bullet feed die works perfectly!.....a TylerR design, using two springs and 2 ball bearings.....100% feed record with it....happy. Will use 3D printed bullet collator, and for now the Shaker case feeder....but I will upgrade that to electric sometime. And no......the RCBS Uniflow doesn't look terrible being green......red, green....it's almost Christmas anyway. :) Geeze, I have 5 Uniflows.....hate for them to go to waste.
 
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I have a Lee 9mm sizer in station 1; RCBS Uniflow powder measure with powder thru expander/M style, in 2; RCBS Lockout die in 3; A 3Dprinted bullet feeder die in 4; and a Seater/crimper from the 9mm die set in 5. I would like to find a separate crimper for station 6, I dunno, maybe I'll just buy a Factory Crimp die? or find a taper crimp die....thoughts?
My set up is in .45ACP and I have them setup using all 6 stations
Station 1: Lee sizer
Station 2 : Lyman M-die...because I had it on hand
Station 3: Lee Powder measure...I was too impatient to figure out the adjustment of the powder through expander; now I'm waiting for the Lee stepped expander
Station 4: Hornady Powder Check...because I can't see into the case way back there. I had to take it out of a Hornady LNL bushing and made the mistake of leaving the Lee lock ring on the die; there aren't enough threads to screw the die deep enough with the lock ring in place
Station 5: backed out Lee Seater/Crimp die to avoid crimping
Station 6: RCBS taper Crimp die

Ideally, I'll be able to install a stepped expander in the powder measure and their upcoming bullet feeder at the same time. That way I'll still be able to use the Powder Check die
 
My set up is in .45ACP and I have them setup using all 6 stations
Station 1: Lee sizer
Station 2 : Lyman M-die...because I had it on hand
Station 3: Lee Powder measure...I was too impatient to figure out the adjustment of the powder through expander; now I'm waiting for the Lee stepped expander
Station 4: Hornady Powder Check...because I can't see into the case way back there. I had to take it out of a Hornady LNL bushing and made the mistake of leaving the Lee lock ring on the die; there aren't enough threads to screw the die deep enough with the lock ring in place
Station 5: backed out Lee Seater/Crimp die to avoid crimping
Station 6: RCBS taper Crimp die

Ideally, I'll be able to install a stepped expander in the powder measure and their upcoming bullet feeder at the same time. That way I'll still be able to use the Powder Check die

Set up for .45ACP, you're just the guy to ask a lingering question I have! Many of us, I'm sure, have experienced the indentation marks on large primers, when we primed using the small primer seating rod, when we forgot to change to the large one. Lee ,on this press offers no large priming rod....claiming one rod fits all. Really? What's your experience? No marks? If so I wonder how they did that????
 
As we have already illustrated, case wall thickness, resized case length, case mouth flare and bullet tilt during seating and consistency of bullet nose profile/ogive all contribute to finished OAL variance.

Try sorting by same headstamp brass to see if OAL variance decreases. To enhance bullet setting on flared case mouth (since amount of case mouth flare is dependent on resized case length), measure some resized cases and use shorter case to set the case mouth flare for minimizing/preventing bullet tilt during seating (And if you are getting OAL variance from inconsistent ogive, use consistent bullets like RMR in-house)

I must admit my limited run last night <30 rounds my OAL was not as consistent as I had hoped. Seeing your results from mixed brass makes me feel better though. For practice ammo I use mixed brass exclusively. My variance was about about .007 ish. I guess not totally out of the ballpark. I'm used to better on my turret.

One thing I found interesting is that if I set OAL with a round or two in the shell plate directly in my seating station, and then start running it will be different. I guess it is a result of the other stations being filled causing flex ? In my case my OAL is slightly longer when running "full". Maybe that is the nature of a progressive, I'm not sure as this is my first progressive.

-Jeff
 
I am using a Dillon 750 progressive and experience the same thing...even with good quality Norma brass. OAL differences can be as high as +- .005, so I just ignore it and chalk it up to my POS digital caliper. That thing is terrible, but haven't found anything better (they all seem to come from Chyna).
Anyway, I am following this because I am seriously considering a Lee Pro 6000 as a second press...
 
Happy to report that I finally have my 9mm version of the 6000 Pro mounted. Took me a while this afternoon, to figure out that the case feeder setup drops cases on the shuttle then runs even further open before it decides to return to the lonely case just sitting there on the rail, by itself. ;) That's just weird to me, but I guess along as nothing shakes it off it works. Hopefully Murphy never finds out.
So here's a mod I found that addresses the quirky case feeder.
A spring-loaded gate/escapement mounted to the 1/4-20 feeder bolt:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3cOO6qP59HM
check it out,
:D
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Edit: also posted on Cast Boolits where I see you lurking too. :uhoh:
 
That's cool, but on my Pro 6000 press the case drops then the slide continues out another 1" leaving the case all by itself. Then the slide reaches it's limit then reverses, comes back in, and pushs the case normally. Still think that's totally weird.....maybe I installed it wrong but I can't see any other way. I'll made a vid and post it today sometime.
 
That's cool, but on my Pro 6000 press the case drops then the slide continues out another 1" leaving the case all by itself. Then the slide reaches it's limit then reverses, comes back in, and pushs the case normally. Still think that's totally weird.....maybe I installed it wrong but I can't see any other way. I'll made a vid and post it today sometime.
OK
If the slide is pulled back by the spring under tension, why not put a stop on the slide and let the spring extend without moving the slide further back?
If that spring is under compression (I think it is) then nevermind.
If the case drops behind that gate and is pulled back with the further movement of the slide, so what?
I think the case rides on top of the slide and drops as soon as the slide clears it, so that would be behind the gate.
Or that gate could attached to the slide rather than that 1/4-20 rod.
Or you could use the overtravel mechanism from Lee's bullet feeder, it's a friction bushing on a rod, rather than the spring.
...Or make/extend the slide so the case drops when it's at the end of its travel?
Or move the spring attachment point on the slide further back (might work)?
Just spit balling here as I don't have a 6000...yet.

:scrutiny:
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NOTE: Listing of step-by-step press set up, operation, enhanced practice for greater consistency and troubleshooting on this post - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...r-oal-consistency.911743/page-9#post-12471889
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One thing I found interesting is that if I set OAL with a round or two in the shell plate directly in my seating station, and then start running it will be different. I guess it is a result of the other stations being filled causing flex ? In my case my OAL is slightly longer when running "full".

Maybe that is the nature of a progressive ... this is my first progressive.
Welcome to the world of progressive reloading! :)

If you are coming from single stage or turret press, you now have to factor in another reloading variable of shellplate tilt/deflection (BTW, shellplates don't actually "flex" rather tilt or deflect down varying amounts depending on the resizing force applied which in turn will affect amount of case mouth flare, crimp and bullet seating depth/finished OAL). And due to this reason, after adjusting your dies in "turret mode" of running a single case through the shellplate, in "progressive mode" with shellplate full, you may need to readjust your dies and this is normal.

my Pro 6000 press the case drops then the slide continues out another 1" leaving the case all by itself. Then the slide reaches it's limit then reverses, comes back in, and pushs the case normally.
Or make/extend the slide so the case drops when it's at the end of its travel? ... Or move the spring attachment point on the slide further back (might work)?

I don't have a 6000
This is normal.

Keep in mind that SPP is based on ABLP frame design and when the ram travel length was increased on the SPP/Pro 6000 to accommodate all the longer rifle cases including magnum cases, extra ram travel produces extra slider travel and that's where that extra 1" beyond the dropped case comes from.
 
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Welcome to the world of progressive reloading! :)
This is normal.
Keep in mind that SPP is based on ABLP frame design and when the ram travel length was increased on the SPP/Pro 6000 to accommodate all the longer rifle cases including magnum cases, extra ram travel produces extra slider travel and that's where that extra 1" beyond the dropped case comes from.
Good point
The fix could be as simple rotating the case feeder on its mounting bolt, away from the press so the case drop tube is further back over the slide, nearer the end of its travel.

One could add an offset link between that mounting bolt and feeder to get the drop tube even closer to the end of travel of the slider.
...Or find/use a shorter spring. :scrutiny:

I really don't see any problem with the dropped case standing by itself, as long as the press is solidly mounted and not rocking.
Don't forget, I'm the guy how modifies just about everything though. :uhoh:
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:).
 
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Set up for .45ACP, you're just the guy to ask a lingering question I have! Many of us, I'm sure, have experienced the indentation marks on large primers, when we primed using the small primer seating rod, when we forgot to change to the large one. Lee ,on this press offers no large priming rod....claiming one rod fits all. Really? What's your experience? No marks? If so I wonder how they did that????
I wondered too and paid pretty close attention to the priming process. I even used Federal LPP to offer the softest cup...plus they are the only LPP I have on hand.

1. The priming was very smooth
2. No marks on the cup to indicate that a wrong sized ram was used
3. Primers all seated below flush...into Xtreme cases

Interesting side note: I short stroked a primer into a case and didn't notice right away because the case rides in the shell plate rather than on the platform as on my Hornady (and the Dillon 550); on the Hornady the shell plate would not have been able to advance. I pulled the case, but couldn't put it back into Station 2 because a new primer had was now in the shuttle. It wouldn't fit into a shell holder for my Classic Cast as the primer stood too proud. So...

I stepped over to my set up Lee ACP...which does provide both small and large primer rams...which was set up for SPP. It doesn't use shell holders for case location (very ingenious). Just out of curiosity I lowered and handle and the case was primed perfectly...using the SPP ram...below flush and without any marks/distortion to indicate that the wrong size ram had been used.

I don't know what Lee discovered or how they are doing it, but I'm getting perfect primer seating of LPP using the SPP ram
 
This is normal.

Keep in mind that SPP is based on ABLP frame design and when the ram travel length was increased on the SPP/Pro 6000 to accommodate all the longer rifle cases including magnum cases, extra ram travel produces extra slider travel and that's where that extra 1" beyond the dropped case comes from.

I figured so......why else would Lee have such an ample case catcher.....to catch brass not absolutely in the one perfect place.;)

This is all fun, but not without some nerves to deal with......I have two grandsons who expect me to be perfectly capable with this 3 day old press, to load them some serious 9mm after Thanksgiving dinner......and my oldness is getting worse!:uhoh:
 
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I wondered too and paid pretty close attention to the priming process. I even used Federal LPP to offer the softest cup...plus they are the only LPP I have on hand.

1. The priming was very smooth
2. No marks on the cup to indicate that a wrong sized ram was used
3. Primers all seated below flush...into Xtreme cases

Interesting side note: I short stroked a primer into a case and didn't notice right away because the case rides in the shell plate rather than on the platform as on my Hornady (and the Dillon 550); on the Hornady the shell plate would not have been able to advance. I pulled the case, but couldn't put it back into Station 2 because a new primer had was now in the shuttle. It wouldn't fit into a shell holder for my Classic Cast as the primer stood too proud. So...

I stepped over to my set up Lee ACP...which does provide both small and large primer rams...which was set up for SPP. It doesn't use shell holders for case location (very ingenious). Just out of curiosity I lowered and handle and the case was primed perfectly...using the SPP ram...below flush and without any marks/distortion to indicate that the wrong size ram had been used.

I don't know what Lee discovered or how they are doing it, but I'm getting perfect primer seating of LPP using the SPP ram

That's awesome.....Lee can amaze with their unique ideas sometimes. I'm still amazed with their APP/ACP innovations.
 
NOTE: Listing of step-by-step press set up, operation, enhanced practice for greater consistency and troubleshooting on this post - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...r-oal-consistency.911743/page-9#post-12471889
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NOTE: It needs to be emphasized that the priming system on the Six Pack Pro/Pro 6000 is BRAND NEW and we need to let go of old notions of previous generations of priming system Lee used on other presses.


The new priming system utilizes double-stack feed chute/trough with ribbed slider that ensure movement of next primer to be picked up from right side of chute so the primer guide will readily pick up each and every time. So as long as there are primers in the chute/trough (More than 3 primers for CCI SP), the new priming system will feed primers into station #2 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ing-for-oal-consistency.911743/#post-12443415

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press offers no large priming rod....claiming one rod fits all. Really? What's your experience? No marks? If so I wonder how they did that????
I wondered too ... used Federal LPP to offer the softest cup ... The priming was very smooth ... 2. No marks on the cup to indicate that a wrong sized ram was used ... 3. Primers all seated below flush ... Interesting side note: ... Lee ACP ... set up for SPP ... case was primed perfectly ... below flush and without any marks/distortion to indicate that the wrong size ram had been used.

I don't know what Lee discovered or how they are doing it, but I'm getting perfect primer seating of LPP using the SPP ram
I was curious too, so decided to take a closer look.

First, I took apart my Auto Prime to compare small and large priming rods/pins diameter:

SPP priming rod on the left measured around .172", same as small priming rod for Auto Prime and consequently, large priming rod measured around .207". But notice Auto Prime's small/large rods have sharp edges but SPP's priming rod has rounded edges.

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Next I looked at how the priming rod is guided under the shellplate cover. The new priming system uses a snug sleeve cylinder to guide the priming rod to align with the shellplate and shellplate is made captive when index pin goes through the holes in the shellplate. (Priming rod spring removed for the picture to show sleeve cylinder detail)

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Unlike Dillon's brass "locator buttons" and Hornady retainer spring ring that have fixed retention of brass case rim, Lee ABLP and SPP use adjustable tension "case retainers" to hold the case rim.

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So with priming rod and shellplate captivated by sleeve cylinder and index pin along with case rim held by case retainer; when primer guide enters station #2 with a primer, primer to primer pocket alignment is fairly square and "good enough" to readily prime even slightly larger diameter foreign/metric primers to slightly below flush of .002"-.004" (CCI/PMC/S&B). And with rounded priming rod along with features of new priming system explained above may be reasons why we are not seeing marks on large primer cups, even softer Federal LPP. (Case retainer in the picture moved outward to show primer guide detail in station #2)

And not having to change priming rod between small/large primers will speed up the caliber conversion, which is a plus when loading multiple calibers.

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So with priming rod and shellplate captivated by sleeve cylinder and index pin along with case rim held by case retainer; when primer guide enters station #2 with a primer, primer to primer pocket alignment is fairly square and "good enough" to readily prime even slightly larger diameter foreign/metric primers to slightly below flush of .002"-.004" (CCI/PMC/S&B). And with rounded priming rod along with features of new priming system explained above may be reasons why we are not seeing marks on large primer cups, even softer Federal LPP. (Case retainer in the picture moved outward to show primer guide detail in station #2)
Interesting and insightful analysis. I'm not yet brave enough to disassemble my press that far to find out.

I did notice that the priming rod was polished and rounded (more than on my Bench Prime or my ACP)...I figured it was just better finishing on their new Halo press .

I was a little frustrated by the case retention levers at first, being used to the Hornady spring, but once I saw that they were easy to set and self adjusting, they grew on me. The indexing pin was a major selling point for me, coupled with the index rod is seems more simple and effective than competitors at this price point.

I'm very impressed by how well the priming system works. Everything from the consistent pickup and delivery of primers to the smooth priming. If I could get this primer transport system on the Lee ACP, it would be the best priming press in the industry
 
NOTE: Listing of step-by-step press set up, operation, enhanced practice for greater consistency and troubleshooting on this post - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...r-oal-consistency.911743/page-9#post-12471889
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I'm very impressed by how well the priming system works. Everything from the consistent pickup and delivery of primers to the smooth priming. If I could get this primer transport system on the Lee ACP, it would be the best priming press in the industry
Calvin from Lee Precision already confirmed they are working on new priming system for Pro 1000 similar to one used on SPP - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...r-oal-consistency.911743/page-6#post-12466560
  • Next generation of Pro 1000 will have new priming system similar to SPP
I have a feeling Lee may end up updating all of their presses to use similar priming system as SPP.
 
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I have a feeling Lee may end up updating all of their presses to use similar priming system as SPP.
I hope they do, they were stagnant for quite a few years with nothing really changing until the last couple years they really started to improve.
Good for them.
I think about my ABLP having one of those priming systems but that is a small press, the Pro1000 is even smaller.
My press should be here any day. I ordered it from Mid South Shooters and when I ordered it I checked my email and there were no emails about free shipping so I ordered it anyways.
Later that morning an email came in for free shipping with a promo code :cuss:. They gave me free shipping anyways, I guess their promo code didn't work as it was supposed to so in all fairness they caught us all up.
Kudo's to MidSouth Shooters for that. Shipping was only $12.00 but it's the idea of it.
I love the companies we deal with, best CS in the world.
 
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