Elementary kids, classrooms and finger guns

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So, I've now been into the kindergarten classroom for a conference with the teacher for the third time, most recently during this last week. My son, aged five, is the black sheep...a dastardly soul and the scourge of the flaming liberal academia ruling our public schools.

His offense....using his index finger and thumb to simulate a "pistol" while playing the terrible "cops and robbers" or "cowboys and indians" with his schoolmates.

I've learned that making the finger gesture and shouting "pew, pew, pow," is now considered bullying and that some children may be frightened! I've also been told that police officers accidently shoot kids that simulate pistols with their fingers.

Now then, I've suggested to the principal and teacher that I completely support the cracking of his knuckles with a ruler upon further display or at the very least making him stand in the corner with his nose against the wall for punishment to curb the behavior. I've been told that these are not acceptable forms of punishment. What then does the distrcit find fit? The answer is guilt assignment. Yes, guilt. This is how the school district prefers to handle punishment.

I've told the principle and teacher that I will no longer be fielding squealing calls from the district regarding finger gestures and that they better figure it out for themselves.

Thoughts?
 
Ah, so you have had the joy of witnessing the modern public school system in action! By the way, your case is nothing compared to some of the nuttiness that has been reported...

And now you know why that any mention of public school generates such comments from many.

Ain't much you can do about it other than tell your son not to do it. You're lucky he wasn't suspended on the spot...
 
As someone who taught first graders for a time, I can tell you that anything firearm related was looked upon in a dim view by most of the "intelligentsia" that currently run the public school systems. While I personally didn't go after a kid doing something like that, others weren't as nice. Kids drawing pictures with guns or similar also get the principal's attention.
 
Bear71 -

Well, given the amount of time I played war, cowboys and indians,

Cops & robbers in school about 55 years ago,

I - and my parents - should still all be in jail.

'Course, my parents are both passed now, so it would just be me.

I can think of another finger gesture, but

That would get all into even deeper doodoo.

The best thing I can suggest is to really, truly teach your kids

Personal accountability and responsibility than

Passively accepting That Which Flows Downhill.


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My lady friend and I, have recently began shooting each other with finger and thumb, exclaiming, "Phew Phew - Phew!"

She has to out-do me as she then spins it, and re-holsters. She's a kinder teacher as well, so I'll ask her about how that goes in the classroom.

...and we're both 30.

Discipline wise, I hear all the time... All the time how her children act in class and what she cannot legally do to correct and stop their behavior.

I'm appalled and shocked at the school systems.

I remember getting spanked by the Principal and I turned out okay!
 
Jeesh.....I really now realize I lucked out. In high-school from 2004-08 I actually talked about guns with a few teachers, got my schools "Student Resource Officer" AKA School Cop to join the NRA. Had a Military History Club complete with large display of various military vehicle models, some soldiers, and a few old lead bullets amongst other things. And teachers that assigned things such as making prop guns and one that proudly displays a prop cannon in the corner of his room they use for reenactments in his history class....

And that's in the affluent Farmington suburb of Hartford CT!....just wish I was one of the affluent people....>_<

Seriously, though, it makes me disgusted to think that some, even most schools are like the above. Hand gestures being threatening?
 
Folks I worked with out west used to bring their guns to school because they were rabbit hunting on the way and after school. They would leave them in the principal's office for safe keeping without any issue.
And Bliggada, we never had a need for "resource officers" when I went to school, the LAST thing you wanted was to get in trouble at school, because you would then also get in trouble at home - and that would hurt!
 
"Ah, so you have had the joy of witnessing the modern public school system in action! By the way, your case is nothing compared to some of the nuttiness that has been reported..."

Yes, I suspected I might be in for some trouble with kid #1 and the school district. He doesn't understand the concept that some deem "guns" unnaceptable. I've tried to explain to this boy that the district considers the finger guns thing innappropriate but he isn't digesting it. I'm assuming this isn't a kid problem, he's five!

"Ain't much you can do about it other than tell your son not to do it. You're lucky he wasn't suspended on the spot..."

Suspending a five year old is absolutely outrageous. I will give the teacher some credit, she's a nice woman and very patient, she loves my kid and her other students, it's readily apparent but she's also a rule follower to the letter. Third strike and we're still floating but I can't imagine he's got too many strikes left before the hammer falls.
 
When I was in 7th grade Texas History, we had a civil war group come shoot cannons and guns and stuff. If I remember correctly, there was a few people with shotguns in the back window of their truck and everyone had a pocket knife. Of course this was in Joshua, Texas back in the late 80's and early 90's.
 
Folks I worked with out west used to bring their guns to school because they were rabbit hunting on the way and after school. They would leave them in the principal's office for safe keeping without any issue.

So where would they leave the rabbits? Wait, let me guess... the cafeteria, right?
 
bear71 said:
I've told the principle and teacher that I will no longer be fielding squealing calls from the district regarding finger gestures and that they better figure it out for themselves.

LOL.

At my daughter's 1st grade open house the teacher said that parents should ensure that their sons (sexism! sexism!) not bring toy guns or even the guns to their GI Joes. She said the school had a "zero tolerance" policy to guns. I commented to the father next to me that apparently they have a "zero common sense" policy as well. We both -> :rolleyes:
 
Related I suppose, anyone remember the episode of The Unit where [I think it was] Bob's daughter got in hot water for 'knowing the difference between a musket and a rifle'? Don't tell me that's accurate...
 
Can someone explain to me how two (2) emo Coloradian idiots can set the standard for a country of 300,000,000?

Can one fight the school district and actually win?
 
That would get all into even deeper doodoo.

Actually I figure that you would be in less trouble for that finger gesture than you would for the gun fingers.

I remember getting spanked by the Principal and I turned out okay!

I am the very first child to be swatted by Mr. Crotts (his very first year at that school) at James R. Tate Elementary School in Van Buren AR. I am a legend there.
 
..wow it wasnt all that long ago that i was in grade school, as im only 19, but i remember running around doing this or pretending that sticks were guns HECK IN FIFTH GRADE WE GOT TO SHOOT A BOW AND ARROW!!!!! now imagine how big of a twist that would put in these peoples painties

then again i grew up in the south were i cant imagine a school room without a pair of camo pants or a camp sweatshirt
 
So where would they leave the rabbits? Wait, let me guess... the cafeteria, right?

Good question - I'll have to ask them that when I go back to visit....:D

When I left NYC and lived in several states, it was de rigueur to have a gun rack in the back window and at least one in the rack - and that was in the student parking lot....
 
Funny.

I got suspended in 1st grade for knowing Linnaean (Latin/scientific) terminology

For butterflies better than my teacher.

She. "And this, children, is a pretty swallowtail butterfly."

Me. "No, it is a Papilio glaucus."

Things kind of escalated from there, and I stuck to my guns,

And got kicked out for a week or so.

My parents, bless them, took it as a badge of honor

Rather than a black mark, and after some butt-chewing with

The principle, I got let back in with no restrictions.

Some things never change.

But.........my real item of socio-ethnographic research here,

Is............

"Gripping the hand-pistol."

Me, I always used the index and middle finger forward grip,

Third and fourth fingers folded against my palm,

Thumb up to represent the hammer.

I would snap my thumb smartly down whenever I triggered a round.

Didn't use an isosceles stance, it was strictly cowboy shooting.

In addition to the vocalization of firing a round,

There were lots of ricochet vocalizations.

What was your stance?

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my school that i'm in now, (i'm in 11th grade) has both a rifle and archery team and we shoot archery on school grounds.
 
As someone who taught first graders for a time, I can tell you that anything firearm related was looked upon in a dim view by most of the "intelligentsia" that currently run the public school systems. While I personally didn't go after a kid doing something like that, others weren't as nice. Kids drawing pictures with guns or similar also get the principal's attention.

Thankfully the system I teach in has a little more common sense than that. I see gun art (hunting and target shooting etc) proudly displayed all around the school. Guns are not bad. Threats are, and are typically treated harshly. But at least here in middle TN there is a little more common sense than that. BTW the school I teach in has 47 on faculty. I have not polled everyone but in one faculty meeting there was a discussion of a bill to allow CCW holders to carry in class. I am 1 of only 4 men who teach, 2 of us CCW, and I had another dozen of the women teachers commented that they had their CC permits. I didn't hear a single comment about it being a bad idea either.
:)
 
lol I got in trouble last year at SMU for carrying a knife. granted, it was illegal (double-bladed) and the police officer also almost confiscated my pocketknife except the boss agreed with me that we use them at work. Otherwise, pocketknives are a no-no. Which is odd, since my freshman year in the dorms I specifically asked about knives and the RAs told me the rules just followed TX state law.
 
We had an on campus air rifle range, and that was the 80s. Of course, this IS AZ which does have an optional gun safety course for schools...which we NEED to make mandatory. Law says students must have range time to pass. :)
 
Before we bash all school systems for the actions of some, it should be noted that the principal at our school shoots with us at the range (we introduced him to IPSC pistol competition) and he has no problem with finger guns at his school.

It is great sport to display and chide the bad schools, but no one counts all the good schools that have no such problems.

You would find it hard to convince me that the entire system is bad. I just don't fall to gross generalizations that quickly. Sorry, but the entire nation really isn't falling into a cesspool. There are millions and millions of success stories that don't make the Internet.

OK, I just needed to remind us of that. Continue bashing at will...
 
Can someone explain to me just what is supposed to be wrong with kids pointing a finger and saying "bang" when playing?
 
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