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Elementary School teacher with a SA Colt .45 revolver on his desk...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Winger Ed., Jul 4, 2010.

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  1. Winger Ed.

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    We've all heard & read several American 'guns at school' stories from the 50s - 60's.
    Well,,,,,,,,,,,, Here's one from the late 1930's:

    My Mom, who passed away at age 72 in 2004,
    A few times,,,,,, told me of one of her experiences in Elementary School.

    In the little South West Texas (one room Schoolhouse type) community where she grew up-
    They had a BIG!!!! BIG!!!! problem with these 4 brothers who attended the School.
    They ran off all the darn School teachers,,,, several of them.
    But; their Dad was bound and determined that 'his boys' would get educated........ at least as far as the 6th grade.
    In those days, that was about as far as ya needed to go in order to know how to 'read and write'.

    After his kids had ran off the last teacher,,,
    and they didn't have one for a year or so,,,,,,,
    he offered to help hire,,, and pay the next one.....
    This guy wanted his boys educated bad enough,
    that he offered to match & double the next teacher's salary himself.

    So,,,,,,,,,,,,,, In 1938,,,,,
    The Elders of Harper, Texas (This is about 120 miles SW of San Antonio)
    found, and hired a old, grizzled, retired (Horse Cavalery) US Army Colonel
    to teach at their one room School House.

    //////////
    This guy, born in the 1870's, (HIS Dad being a Civil War Vet)
    had joined the US Army a little before 1900.

    Being a Officer in the US military---
    From 1900- or before, had served honorably-
    and he'd retired as a Very well decorated Colonel a few years after WWI----
    This was a war where there were some battles with over 100,000 casualties--- in a single day.
    And in the course of his duties, had ordered hundreds of US Troops, to do things that they did not survive.
    This guy had seen about all there is to see in one lifetime- more nearly several lifetimes...
    Actually he'd seen things that no person should ever have to see;
    as well as all the horrors anyone could ever expect another human to witness without,,,,,, well- let's stop there.
    ///////////

    Anyway-------
    The old Colonel came to class on 'opening day' in 1938.
    Paid normal Teacher's wages by the School District, and matched by 'Dad'.

    He didn't have a Laser pointer to point out stuff on the blackboard, so he used his old Cavalry Saber**.

    **
    If anyone doesn't know what a Calvary Saber is:
    Its a full length- about 3 long- sword,,, but without a sharp edge.
    So,,, its a real long knife that's good for pointing at, or stabbing things,
    but won't cut worth a darn.
    **

    Anytime one of 'the brothers' hollered at him, he hollered back- louder.....
    And also whacked 'em with the side of the Saber while doing so.

    When one of the 'brothers' fired a pistol into the ceiling of the Schoolhouse,,
    which had always worked real well at chasing away Teachers in the past----

    The old Colonel just finished what he was doing at the chalkboard.....
    Set down the chalk--- or Saber.....
    Then turned,,,,, picked up his old, well worn, well traveled, LOADED,
    Single Action, (.45 Long) Colt revolver that always laid on top of his desk at the front of the classroom,
    and fired a shot into the floor, as close to the offending 'brother' as he thought prudent at the time.

    To conclude:
    As Mom told the story----
    Yeah, The old Colonel got her & all the other kids, as well as 'the brothers' through the 6th grade.....
    It was about as easy as pulling a cat by the tail- through a cow's a$$ ,,,,,, but he did it.



    I figure I've been carrying this story around long enough without sharing it..
    Its time I passed it on to some of you younger guys...
    Hope ya enjoyed it..


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  2. kimberkid

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    That was a different time for sure ... and being politically correct hadn't been invented yet.

    Thanks for sharing
     
  3. wishin

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    Great story!
     
  4. 1911Tuner

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    Great story!

    One point, though...

    Cavalry sabers with their curved blades were designed to cut...not stab.
     
  5. W.E.G.

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    I was allowed to take my gun collection, then a:
    Sears single-barrel 12 gauge
    Winchester 190 .22
    Daisy lever-action BB
    Marksman BB/pellet
    Crosman 760

    ...to elementary school show-and-tell.

    Honest injun.

    Had to leave the guns behind the teachers desk during the school day, except for show and tell. When I gave my presentation, I think I killed everybody in the class. Pretty sure I bored them to death.
     
  6. BCCL

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    I had my 25th class reunion last night, and one discussion was how our shop teacher once brought his 1911 to school to show us boys.....in 1985! (small rural school, total High School enrollment was 132) :)

    Can you imagine a teacher doing that today?
     
  7. loadedround

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    I am not quite an old codger yet, but remember growing up in a small suburban town about 10 miles outside Philadelphia. There was a fellow in my class that was an avid hunter and he used to walk to school with his 22 rifle and hunting gear carried in a soft case several times a week. He would put his rifle in the Principal's office in the morning and retrieve it after school. No one ever said a word. In my junior year I had taken machine shop and for my class project I decided to make a naval cannon. I turned a large piece of brass into shape, bored it to 12 ga complete with a touch hole. Finally mounted it in an oak carriage. This was an actual firing cannon and no one thought a thing about it then either. BTW, the cannon won an award in a Industrial Arts show at school. I had graduated high school in 1957...things have certainly changed since then.
     
  8. TylerPearce

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    I hope you kept that cannon!
     
  9. ozarkgunner

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    I, as well as my older brothers and sisters grew up going to Catholic schools. I went to a different one than them, I came along quite abit later and my parents ahd moved. My school years were still at a time that the teachers, Nunes, would throw erasers or what ever was handi to get your attention, or if they were close enough, you'ld get hit with a ruler or yard stick.
    Which I didn't see anything wrong with. We always deserved it.

    I was also an alterboy for a few years. And no, I did't get "special attention" from any of the priests. And I'm not in denial.



    :Edit This was in the early 80's by the way.
     
  10. Old Shooter

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    When I was in high school our english teacher, who was a deer hunting fool, would bring in his rifle (can't remember what model it was) along with a bandoleer of ammo and set it beside his desk during the day before season opening class. He was dressed in hunting clothing as well.

    He would leave stragiht from school and head to his hunting camp and didn't want to leave the rifle unattended in his car all day while in the classroom.

    That was always the most interesting day of the school year, for me anyway.

    All the boys thought it was the neatest thing to see and I con't remember any of the girls complaining, it was just Mr. Robinsons thing.

    Try that today and see how many years you get!
     
  11. ozarkgunner

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    Oh, great story by the way. I think I will ask my grand parents if they ever had anything like that while they were in school. They were both born in 1925, so those stories should be interesting. They grew up in southwest Texas and western NewMexico.
     
  12. Nushif

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    Fact, although I was taught (by a Cav Officer) that it was against an Honor code to actually sharpen the cutty bits.
     
  13. otcconan

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    It was quite common at my high school, in late '80's rural Texas, for students to have gun racks in their trucks with at least a deer rifle and a shotgun in them. And also quite common for them to have a SA revolver under the seat.
     
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    I think some of the guys in NH (semi rural area) still do have the racks and the revolvers, but no rifles in the open now.
     
  15. ManDude

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    I graduated High School in 2006, and I remember seeing trucks in our school's parking lot with rifle racks, and of course... rifles.

    While of course bringing a gun into school nowadays would be a major 'no no', here in rural 'middle of all the corn' Indiana things are somewhat lax by todays standards.
     
  16. Zotter

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    When I was on the Jr. High School's rifle team, I was REQUIRED to bring my bolt action .22 to school for practice. Kept it and my ammo in my locker in the hallway. Rifle range was in the basement of the school.

    At High School, few years later, it was normal to see rifles in student and teacher vehicles. Most of us were hunters and if you didn't need to stay late for some reason, was still time to head up the hill and try for Deer or Prairie Goat - depending on season.

    Graduated HS in '81
     
  17. Chemist

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    I was a HS teacher and started back in 2001, it isn't much different than what I had to deal with the only thing different is that back then the parents wanted their kids educated, today most just want them babysat and kept out of their hair.
     
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    Last year, and many years before, as a high school Physics teacher I received permission from the principal and school liaison officer to bring in my 1911 to show how recoil and momentum were important in the gun's operation. I also field stripped the gun in front of the class so they could see how the parts inside worked together. Usually, a good discussion of firearms. safety, and the 2A followed. It was definitely a teachable moment.
     
  19. hank327

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    The last sword issued to the US Cavalry was the Model 1913 and it was a straight sword designed to use the point to thrust and not slash with the edge.
    As an aside, George S. Patton was the designer of this sword.

    http://arms2armor.com/Swords/1913cav.htm
     
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    As Nushif points out, it was against the code to sharpen your saber. If you ever check out any old swords that's the first thing you'll notice, they're dull... Even the battle notched civil war swords are uniformly unsharpened.

    Napoleon used to shout "Give them the point!" whenever he ordered a cavalry charge. I guess it was OK to skewer an opponent, but you wouldn't want to slash him too badly...
     
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    I'm a fourth generation Texan, and my people lived west of Austin where the country park is north of Mansfield dam. My Great Grandfather was a school teacher in the rural school there in the early 1900's because some of those rough ranch kids had been too much for the female teachers. He was a tough old rancher and tree farmer that was also educated. So, he took the job.

    The first day there he brought in the reins from the horse he rode, and explained that the foolishness was going to stop and they were going to behave and learn. If they did not, then they would get a thrashing with the reins. Of course two boys tried him and he lit them up properly and sent them home for the day. One kid threatened him with their father coming back and giving him a beating. They should have known better, as his reputation in that area had long been established.

    The father did come there mouthing off after school let out, and Grgrandfather gave him a good solid beating. Thereafter, everyone behaved... especially if he was anywhere around.

    And yes, he carried a Winchester on his saddle every day.

    jim
     
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    Note too, that even though it's straight it's still a "Saber".

    Patton ripped of his sword/saber design from the 1907 Spanish Puerto Seguro, which is an even better manufactured sword (saber) than the Patton. You can pick these up on Ebay for as low as $50 if you know what to look for. I've got three of them in my collection and I think they are the finest swords ever made.
     
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    Ive shot guns in my high school grounds about 10 years ago. It was a private school in NH. Thats probably why. We had a civil war fare. the school rented about 30 muzzleloaders from rileys gun shop. We loaded them with black powder only and i think a cotton ball( cant quit remember) and we where shooting these things for about a week for rehersals. Also took a few class trips to the firing range. This was in the late nineties or 2000. Nice things happen when you dont go to public school
     
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    Winger Ed wrote: "It was about as easy as pulling a cat by the tail- through a cow's a$$ ,,,,,,"


    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Maybe the code had another purpose aside from honor.

    It's understood among swordsmen that the edge cuts, but it's the point that kills. Maybe wounding was better as it tied up support personnel tending to the wounded. Also, a dull edge creates a gaping, painful wound instead of a clean cut as with a sharp edge. After battle screams were as demoralizing in 1863 as they are today. So...maybe the code was more sinister than it would seem at first glance. Who knows...
     
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