Police attitudes toward open carry

Kind of foot in mouth. "If" he ever does, God forbid have to shoot someone, now his actions will be that much under the scope even if it is a 100% good shoot. Will this now make him think twice about acting when its needed to avoid any scrutiny?

Looks like he is a member on calguns under ".45 user" and does not truly belive what he posted or doing a serious case of damage control.

I know this probably will but hope it does not go to cop bashing. It is the minority that are like that. My father was a cop for 28 yrs and I know several of them. Two of my best friends from school are an I almost was but joined the USAF. And hate to see that cop bashing stuff.

We as gun owners need to be professional/responsible to educate those in LE who do not agree with the "Bear Arms" portion of the 2A we are not the threat.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=267601&page=24

We as gun owners need to be professional/responsible

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He wasn't providing a very good example, was he?

Atroxus said:

What confuses me most is the one guy's willingness to go on TV when he carries an empty gun. I mean why even bother?! He might as well be carrying a rock on his hip.

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My thoughts exactly Atroxus, CA has 'open carry' but you must be unloaded? Why, that's not carrying at all!

slabuda said:

I know this probably will but hope it does not go to cop bashing. It is the minority that are like that. My father was a cop for 28 yrs and I know several of them. Two of my best friends from school are an I almost was but joined the USAF. And hate to see that cop bashing stuff.

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Yeah, bad cops like this may be the small minority. However, all cops really need to appreciate the non-cop perspective. It's not like a bad cop is harmless. Quite the contrary, a bad cop has the power and potential to do tremendous harm to every citizen with which the cop comes into contact. This bad cop is not safely boxed into Internet forums. Rather, this bad cop is walking around in real life with a Glock on his hip. By the way, this bad cop happens to be not too far from me.

Instead of good cops quietly saying, "I'm not like him", the good cops need to band together proactively and come down on bad cops who say crap like this. Otherwise, this bad cop's views will become pervasive within cop culture as "things you do think but don't say, wink wink".

presence of mind

My attitude as a ficticious policeman towards open carry:

All criminals are armed with firearms until proven otherwise.

All citizens open carrying may or may not be criminals.

I should be cautious when dealing in either situation.

The open carrying citizen, criminal or not, does not present any more of a threat than the criminal with a concealed weapon.
Concealed or exposed; open- holstered, a weapon is inannimate.

I should remember to be cautious in my work, but what I do and how I do it may endanger me much more than the presence of a firearm.

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A cop in California joked(?) on a Facebook page about shooting open carriers. His attitude shows a great amount of disdain, not just for those who open carry, but for 2A rights in general.

Screenshot of the Facebook exchange:
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To those who open carry, are your encounters with the police generally positive/negative/okay?

Further, is there anything we can do to foster a better understanding and respect among law enforcement for our RKBA?

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Thats because the 2nd is not really a right, it's a privilege....

slabuda said:

Kind of foot in mouth. "If" he ever does, God forbid have to shoot someone, now his actions will be that much under the scope even if it is a 100% good shoot. Will this now make him think twice about acting when its needed to avoid any scrutiny?

Looks like he is a member on calguns under ".45 user" and does not truly belive what he posted or doing a serious case of damage control.

I know this probably will but hope it does not go to cop bashing. It is the minority that are like that. My father was a cop for 28 yrs and I know several of them. Two of my best friends from school are an I almost was but joined the USAF. And hate to see that cop bashing stuff.

We as gun owners need to be professional/responsible to educate those in LE who do not agree with the "Bear Arms" portion of the 2A we are not the threat.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=267601&page=24

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If you read the posts on CalGuns, the sense of letdown by that online community that one of their own would make anti 2A comments (even one's he thought were private) is pervasive. Not cop bashing, but people bashing because that guy is a hypocrite.

He wasn't providing a very good example, was he?

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Nope not at all was he...

So is he a closet anti that got outed? Like a closet racist politician that made comments when he thought the press did not have a recorder on in the toilets and is now outed?

Insert a race of choice for a 2A supporter and then what is said and done by the Dept leadership? I see it as the same because our rights would have been violated just the same as if we were racially profiled and harassed. I just hope his boss sees it the same as me.

Thats because the 2nd is not really a right, it's a privilege....

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So, if that is what you think so must all the other amendments in the Bill of RIGHTS. :banghead:

I see it as the same because our rights would have been violated just the same as if we were racially profiled and harassed.

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Of course the two are hardly mutually exclusive. The history of gun control in North America is the history of de jure racial discrimination.

TNboy said:

It seems to me that it really takes away your element of surprise should you have to use your weapon, ex. walking across a parking lot while OC, a group of attackers sees that you are OC, if at this point they decide to still select you as their victim...

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Look to Nature. Poisonous animals display it with bright colors. Now, there are all sorts of evolutionary reasons behind this, but if I were a criminal, I would steer well clear of a guy who is OC. Heck, he may be an off duty LEO.

StarDust1 said:

That's because the 2nd is not really a right, it's a privilege....

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Are you saying that because you feel that way, or do you mean that the RKBA is treated as a privilege by current society?

This guy is the kind of ****** that gives LEOs a bad rep.

I hope they shove him behind a desk.

I had an incident a few years ago even though it turned out fine and my record is still clean, it cost me over $5,000 to get the charges dropped. If I wouldn't have happened to have a gun on me it would have cost me nothing.

Nobody knew I had the gun until after the incident was over and the cops had arrived. You see they seemed to like me and the cop I was dealing with told me he "believed me" over the other group (I hear they say that to almost everyone by the way) until he found out I had a gun on my person. He didn't like me from then on and had total power to screw me over.

By the way the other party was made up of know meth-heads and crackwhores. The cop said they looked familiar and low and behold he in fact responded to an incident involving controlled substances and one of the crackwhores two weeks earlier. Well they didn't have any money or guns so they where turned loose.

After the cop talked about me having a carry permit I could just hear him getting my credit score over the phone so he could decide how much money the legal system could extort from me to keep my permit.

I would like to have the option to open carry because of comfort. I would not open carry in the urban jungle but It would be nice to be able to in the car and rural areas.

BluEyes said:

Look to Nature. Poisonous animals display it with bright colors. Now, there are all sorts of evolutionary reasons behind this, but if I were a criminal, I would steer well clear of a guy who is OC. Heck, he may be an off duty LEO.



Are you saying that because you feel that way, or do you mean that the RKBA is treated as a privilege by current society?

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Thats just what I'm saying, and it's been that way for a long, long time...
We can posture & thump our chests all we want to about the "RKBA," but in the end we still must ask permission to both buy and carry them...We can engage in all the sophistry we wish too, but the facts speak otherwise, and the facts are that when you must petition your government for the permission to both buy, and then carry a gun, it's not really a right, it's a privilege!

This thread is starting to get my blood pressure up too high. I'm gonna bail before I blow a valve and die right here in front of my laptop.

Are you saying that because you feel that way, or do you mean that the RKBA is treated as a privilege by current society?

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I know it wasn't asked of me, but I feel something similar.
It's not a right when you have to ask... and yes, you do have to ask:
To buy new(4473), to carry and or carry concealed. I can lend you a bat, a knife, crowbar, assault rocks and what not and not have to worry about it but for some reason if you attack someone with that it doesn't strike near as much fear into the hearts and minds of the populace like setting loose a madman on the streets with a gun! I'm fairly sure it ceased being a full fledged right somewhere in the 1920s.

w_houle said:

I know it wasn't asked of me, but I feel something similar.
It's not a right when you have to ask... and yes, you do have to ask:
To buy new(4473), to carry and or carry concealed. I can lend you a bat, a knife, crowbar, assault rocks and what not and not have to worry about it but for some reason if you attack someone with that it doesn't strike near as much fear into the hearts and minds of the populace like setting loose a madman on the streets with a gun! I'm fairly sure it ceased being a full fledged right somewhere in the 1920s.

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I hope I'm not the reason for "Cleardiddions" blood pressure issues, I'm just stating the obvious, up here in WI, you are even forced to pay them to investigate you before being allowed to "ahem" exercise your RKBA!

Geez, thanks for the civilized discussion. I didn't say anything bad about open carry, I asked a question with an open mind wanting to get input from a perspective other than my own. I was not judging anyone, or saying that open carry was wrong, or even that I didn't agree with it. As far as the people that I was referring to that had the bad attitudes, I never said anything except that I knew them (I'm sure we all know people that we wouldn't necessarily associate with) so don't make assumptions such as I need to find other people to hang around. Thanks to those that gave me their input in a polite manner.

Police officers are out for they own agenda, they can't be trusted and will do whatever they need to do to hassle law abiding citizens and get their own way. I would suggest that anyone that open carries tape any encounters with law enforcement offices as they will lie in court and will press charges that are not warrented to stop you doing anything they have a personal dislike for.

jakemccoy said:

Yeah, bad cops like this may be the small minority. However, all cops really need to appreciate the non-cop perspective. It's not like a bad cop is harmless. Quite the contrary, a bad cop has the power and potential to do tremendous harm to every citizen with which the cop comes into contact. This bad cop is not safely boxed into Internet forums. Rather, this bad cop is walking around in real life with a Glock on his hip. By the way, this bad cop happens to be not too far from me.

Instead of good cops quietly saying, "I'm not like him", the good cops need to band together proactively and come down on bad cops who say crap like this. Otherwise, this bad cop's views will become pervasive within cop culture as "things you do think but don't say, wink wink".

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No, they'll circle the wagons around him. Thin blue line and all that.

Here's an example of you give a thug a badge, and you still have a thug. Only now he has a badge.

StarDust1 said:

Thats because the 2nd is not really a right, it's a privilege....

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I guess you believe that since you are in one of two "no carry" states and have been brainwashed to believe it.

It most certainly is a right.

"... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"