Why are HK's so dang expensive?

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I don't pretend to know about military procurement, but if they are going on objective critera, probably... plastic is better from any practical general application standpoint, in my opinion.
 
Rellascout said:
Did you determine accuracy using a mechanical devise like a ransom rest? If not all you are really saying is that you are accurate with the P30 which might or might be true for anyone else.

IMHO one cannot claim that one pistol is more accurate than another if they have not examples from a rest.
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My particular HK USP spanked my Glock, XD, and M&P accuracy wise, at least in my hands @ 25 yards from a sandbag rest.

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Owned a USP .45---one of the most unreliable POS's I've had the misfortune to lay money down on----traded it for something that worked. Luckily got most of my money out of it.

Its more than overpriced--I'd place it with the Jennings and Hi-points in the pistol pecking order of manufacturors.

Never again.
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Right.

Probably best if you focus your efforts in the numerous GLoCk threads. You will likely be able to maintain some credibility in them.
 
And Yes Gentlemen, My Previous post was thick sarcasm...

This thread is really taking off...I dont think that HK is priced at what they are because they are better than the majority of pistols out there. I personally think they are priced like that simply because of advertising costs, as well as, they don't own as much of the market as they would like..So they sell far less pistols and need to increase profit margine to make up for R&D and Tool investment.
 
No, I didn't use a rest of any kind. I never do. While it is certainly possible that I shoot the P30 more accurately than other similar pistols, I have seen and heard of enough similar performances to be confident in my evaluation of its accuracy.

Regardless, I fired several offhand 5-round groups at 15 yards, under an inch and a half. I think that is a pretty good measure of the mechanical accuracy of the gun.

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I have witnessed two or three (it's been a few years) H&K USPs that were unreliable at USPSA matches. That's not nearly enough of a sample size to tell me anything about the reliability of the entire H&K line, nor does it say anything about H&Ks build quality (build quality and reliability are related, but they are NOT the same.) Calling H&Ks build quality on par with Jennings is pointless hyperbole that communicates nothing useful.

-C
 
What is the trigger pull on a new USP.40? Anybody know those specs... I love HK's pistol line up guys... not knocking them, they are just expensive!
 
My particular HK USP spanked my Glock, XD, and M&P accuracy wise, at least in my hands @ 25 yards[b/] from a sandbag rest.
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I highlighted the most important part... :) I do not question that the HK is more accurate in your hands. I do question if it is inherently more accurate from a purely mechanical standpoint.

There is a difference. :evil:
 
mopar, you can run an LEM "light" a little over 5 pounds or get DA/SA with a bit of smoothing in about 4lbs. single action.

I am personally glad that they are expensive and this type of line exists. Nobody does non-9mm calibers better. The small platform is actually designed for .40 cal stress unlike Glock and most others. The larger .45 platforms will out-live most competitors 9mm pistols without having to engineer new springs, strikers, etc. every 6 months-2 years like some others.

They don't put pistols with known safety issues out into the market and pretend they don't have a clue about it.
 
No, I didn't use a rest of any kind. I never do. While it is certainly possible that I shoot the P30 more accurately than other similar pistols, I have seen and heard of enough similar performances to be confident in my evaluation of its accuracy.

Regardless, I fired several offhand 5-round groups at 15 yards, under an inch and a half. I think that is a pretty good measure of the mechanical accuracy of the gun.
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No its not. Sounds like you shoot some nice groups with your HK but it really does not speak to the mechinical accuracy of the gun. It speaks directly to your accuracy with the gun. It means that you are pretty good with it at 15 yard.

Also 15 yards is not really a distance I would use to measure accuracy. My point is that you could take say a hi point with its fixed barrel put it in a vise and get similar groups at 15 yards. :what:

Mechanical accuracy is what a gun is capable of when you take the shooter out of the equation.
 
Some people still buy into the myth of HK lightening bolt weapon's.

It'd be awesome if he replied --- "Because I am a SEAL, and RECON, and I dropped out of Green Beret training on the last day....."
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Yes, that would be funny, wouldn't it? Too bad I've never been under the Department of the Navy. Green Beret Training? That's a new one on me. I thought that was called Q-course. Would that still make me a bad ass for making it through SFAS wouldn't it?

Yes, it's hard to fathom how I would know that the current line up of MP5's are staying, but the SOPMOD was brought in to cover certain weakness's of the HK. Are they ditching them completely, certainly not. I can't think of any SOC unit that gets rid of weaponry. Even the Ranger's with their strangled budget have a massive variety.
 
Umm, why are HK's so "expensive?"

Could it be because they are WORTH EVERY CENT?

Or, is that an incorrect answer? :confused:
 
Its really simple, an HK45 has over 50 parts, it is huge for its capacity(10 rnds), its not stunningly accurate for its price, its magazines suck and are extremely expensive, its difficult(relative to the G21/30, M&P 45)to take down for routine cleaning, Its harder to maintain, next to impossible to obtain parts for, heavy relative to its polymer frame, prohibitively expensive, and HK has the worst CS on planet earth...

Consider, the G30SF is virtually half its size but hold the same capacity, significantly lighter, easier to shoot well under stress, easier to maintain, easier by far to repair(it has but 34 parts), easier by far to obtain parts for, has a better barrel not dependent upon the services of a rubber O-ring to function properly, easier to take down, better magazines(Glock produces wonderful magazines), at a MINIMUM as durable(probablly more so), half the price and Glock has arguablly the best CS on planet earth!

Thats why an HK is so much more expensive....:)
 
Well, if GLOCK is so great, how come everyone doesn't buy GLOCK and GLOCK alone? How come, after all the years GLOCK has been on the market other pistol companies are still in business?

IF the Glock is as good as you say it is, and other guns are not so good, then it would only make sense that everyone would own a GLOCK.

Personally, I think they look like a black turd (for the blued version).:neener:
I won't mention what the other versions look like.
 
Glocks work, are not real expensive, but they are not the magic pistol. As stated, if they are so good, why not be the only company. Big deal, all the police could have Glocks and that would equal a small market compared to the citizen market! Glock lied to get into the police market anyway... I keep pulling the trigger whith nothing in the chamber but the hammer doesnt keep firing... dang, must not be a double action, like they told all of the police agencies....:rolleyes:
 
Rellascout,

First, it wasn't my H&K. It belonged to a friend.

Second, mechanical accuracy separate from, for lack of a better term, 'shootability', leaves you with half the data. Knowing that a gun groups well from a Ransom Rest tells me little about how it will group in my hands; however, a gun probably won't group worse from a rest that I can shoot it freestyle.

Third, my performance standard for a service pistol is five rounds into three inches at 25 yards, freestyle. There are a lot of pistols that struggle with this standard, and I can't always hold to it myself. The P30 that I was shooting held to it with no trouble at all, despite less than ideal sights and a longer and heavier trigger than I am used to. It is on that basis that I call the H&K P30 an accurate pistol.

-C
 
Well, if GLOCK is so great, how come everyone doesn't buy GLOCK and GLOCK alone? How come, after all the years GLOCK has been on the market other pistol companies are still in business?
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Beats me? Same reason I can't figure out why some women keep going back to their abusive unemployed meth-addict drunkard husbands. Those women can see the good in their husbands that nobody else can. HK fanboys can see the virtue in HK's were nobody else can. Same thing I suppose.
 
Sebastian the Ibis said:
Beats me? Same reason I can't figure out why some women keep going back to their abusive unemployed meth-addict drunkard husbands. Those women can see the good in their husbands that nobody else can. HK fanboys can see the virtue in HK's were nobody else can. Same thing I suppose.
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Good comparison....
 
mopar92 said:
Glocks work, are not real expensive, but they are not the magic pistol. As stated, if they are so good, why not be the only company. Big deal, all the police could have Glocks and that would equal a small market compared to the citizen market! Glock lied to get into the police market anyway... I keep pulling the trigger whith nothing in the chamber but the hammer doesnt keep firing... dang, must not be a double action, like they told all of the police agencies....:rolleyes:
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Quoted for its sheer entertainment value...
 
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