Why are HK's so dang expensive?
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yeti
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Sooner or later someone is gonna say it, so it may as well be I.
Cause
HundK:
"We hate you and you're stupid."
That's why.
Cause
HundK:
"We hate you and you're stupid." That's why.
W.E.G.
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Large advertising budget.
TexasRifleman
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In case some are wondering what post #2 and 3 are referring to 
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/
Sorry, it's still kinda funny.
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/
Sorry, it's still kinda funny.
Kruzr
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That was answered a few years ago......
it's because they can feed rounds loaded either way in their mags.
it's because they can feed rounds loaded either way in their mags.
Edit: TexasRifleman beat me to it. Please feel free to delete this post!
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Because you suck and we hate you
(sorry yeti, had to give the link, and add the "because you suck" part)
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Because you suck and we hate you
(sorry yeti, had to give the link, and add the "because you suck" part)
IBEWBULL
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The HK is a made in Germany the XD in Crotia I believe. The market price of the US dollar in relation to the currency of orgin on the gun makes a difference. As well as the possibilty of govt. subsidies and taxes.
I was in UAEmerates in the mid 70s a Chevy Impala was more pricy than a Benz at that time. Tarrifs....
I was in UAEmerates in the mid 70s a Chevy Impala was more pricy than a Benz at that time. Tarrifs....
mbruce
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Guess it's kinda like going to The Playboy Mansion rather than going to The Bunny Ranch...wait that isn't a good comparison....
yeti
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It's OK, can't give the link without the correct wording. Mine is just worded to keep Art's Nanna in a sunny mood.
Skinsanity
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Guys..They arent overpriced when you bet your life on them on a day to day basis..and the pictures..For you NON-Operators (or Non-Ops, for those in the biz) Those advertisements were just meant to show the absolute reliability of this fine weapon, even rounds loaded in backwards will chamber and fire...which, I might add..would be very handy if say, you are on a mission and someone cuts the power to the mall, and you arent within 1/4 klick of the nearest skylight...So think of all that before you go bashing HK all over again...
DannySeesUSMC
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You shot the new USP 40? The design is about to hit 20 years old.
Just paste my reply from the other HK price thread
"Building all the parts in house, stringent quality control, thorough testing before pooping models out into the market (think early feedback on SIG 250 & 238, 220 extractor, Ruger LCP & SR9 issues, old Glock 22 kabooms and Gen4 spring swaps - ongoing, FNP-9/40 sear breaks, S&W's first couple years of M&P's and Sigmas and still frequent slide cracks reported, etc.)
Subcontracted MIM parts in a lot of the competition with not enough testing in house. Many LE and Military organizations world wide think it's worth the price difference for HK pistols, I do also. A lot of people shoot 500-1,000 rds. at an indoor range and then tell the world how accurate and reliable the gun is - see no reason to pay more."
Just about any recent pistol model has fans and people who purchased them based on what a buddy or the gun-shop guy told them was great. Some people don't think it's a big deal if their pistol has had to go back for warranty work once or twice and they see other people reporting the same issues.
If your job is a type of armed professional who has a high probability of needing to actually use the weapon you don't just grab a Ruger SR9 with OD-frame or XDm9 3.8" with x-gear pack and get on a plane to a hot-spot.
Does it make sense?
Just paste my reply from the other HK price thread
"Building all the parts in house, stringent quality control, thorough testing before pooping models out into the market (think early feedback on SIG 250 & 238, 220 extractor, Ruger LCP & SR9 issues, old Glock 22 kabooms and Gen4 spring swaps - ongoing, FNP-9/40 sear breaks, S&W's first couple years of M&P's and Sigmas and still frequent slide cracks reported, etc.)
Subcontracted MIM parts in a lot of the competition with not enough testing in house. Many LE and Military organizations world wide think it's worth the price difference for HK pistols, I do also. A lot of people shoot 500-1,000 rds. at an indoor range and then tell the world how accurate and reliable the gun is - see no reason to pay more."
Just about any recent pistol model has fans and people who purchased them based on what a buddy or the gun-shop guy told them was great. Some people don't think it's a big deal if their pistol has had to go back for warranty work once or twice and they see other people reporting the same issues.
If your job is a type of armed professional who has a high probability of needing to actually use the weapon you don't just grab a Ruger SR9 with OD-frame or XDm9 3.8" with x-gear pack and get on a plane to a hot-spot.
Does it make sense?
mbruce
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Not sure if it's bashing as much as it is asking about the higher price.
I've read members' posts on the quality and how the HK polymer is stronger than the polymer on other brands (although no proof has supported that -- and I would think the strength of their polymer is kept classified) -- some say they last longer becauses the internal parts are better .... any proof to that?....and some say they are more accurate -- I've seen people shoot incredible groups with SW M&P, Glock, Sig, etc....so how accurate is accurate enough on a polymer pistol...guess that's the owners call....i'm fine with "good enough" on a polymer pistol --
I to have thought many nights on buying a HK...i've yet to buy one but it's fun keeping it on the wish list. The more great reviews from the XDM and Glock the harder it is to justify the HK.
mbruce
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The president is guarded with P229 and FN-90.....FBI/ATF are issued SA 1911 TRP (according to the documentaries on Natgeo/Discovery at least)....
The Israeli Special Forces carry Colt Commando...(at least it's listed on their website --I guess their still considered Elite -- they got their own Discovery show few years ago.)
Just curious what military units carry the HK...are the HKs furnished? I thought the majority of US Armed Forces carry a Beretta? (I don't know -- i'm really asking)
usp9
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HKs are expensive?
No, 1911s, now there are some expensive guns!
No, 1911s, now there are some expensive guns!
Lots of SF units use HK including the U.S.
rellascout
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They are expensive because people are willing to pay what they ask.
SwampWolf
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Because people are willing to pay the price. I know I did. But they are over-priced-a lot imo.
mbruce
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LOL...post up an HK thread and the HKool Aid drinkers come ready to defend....
Norris carries a HK as a backup to his Glock.
I'm not bashing -- i'll have a HK one day -- i'm jealous I don't have one. The only thing that irks me with Hk is you get all pumped about buying their USP -- then look down the list and see a "better accuracy and more reliable" HK USP Elite -- then you look further and see an even better accurate and more reliable gun in their --i forget what it's called... then you keep reading and see even a better gun in their MK III..... One of the cool things about XDM, Glock, etc...is you get what you get -- here's our gun and it's the only gun we have and it's as good as it we're gonna make it -- HK throws in that 1911ish --more ya pay the better it'll be .....
Norris carries a HK as a backup to his Glock.
I'm not bashing -- i'll have a HK one day -- i'm jealous I don't have one. The only thing that irks me with Hk is you get all pumped about buying their USP -- then look down the list and see a "better accuracy and more reliable" HK USP Elite -- then you look further and see an even better accurate and more reliable gun in their --i forget what it's called... then you keep reading and see even a better gun in their MK III..... One of the cool things about XDM, Glock, etc...is you get what you get -- here's our gun and it's the only gun we have and it's as good as it we're gonna make it -- HK throws in that 1911ish --more ya pay the better it'll be .....
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DannySeesUSMC
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mbruce, FBI has a small amount of custom shop SA 1911's that are similar to the TRP, twice the money. I don't know about the ATF. SIG has been in a love circle with Fed's for awhile now, strong ties. They had a cry-session when their 250 got rejected for being unreliable by one of the agencies and said it wasn't a good enough reason...some how a contract still went through for a different agency in spite of testing results.
There is a partial list on wikipedia of military/le who have issued USP's...the newer models were also getting requests and contracts in no time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_USP
Unanimous choice for reliable and dependable pistols going off of testing and feedback of trainers and consultants is always Glock 17 and 19, HK your pick, and good batches of SIG 226, 239, 229, etc. It doesn't mean other guns are bad but there are intelligent reasons why individual people or certain groups will pay more than other polymer guns in the local stores that go for $350-600.
There is a partial list on wikipedia of military/le who have issued USP's...the newer models were also getting requests and contracts in no time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_USP
Unanimous choice for reliable and dependable pistols going off of testing and feedback of trainers and consultants is always Glock 17 and 19, HK your pick, and good batches of SIG 226, 239, 229, etc. It doesn't mean other guns are bad but there are intelligent reasons why individual people or certain groups will pay more than other polymer guns in the local stores that go for $350-600.
The Lone Haranguer
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I refer to their polymer-frame guns here, not metal-framed ones like the P7.
Here, the cost is more justified (to a point; IMO ~$900 is the point of diminishing returns). These guns are made of forged and machined steel and quite a bit of hand work (fitting and polishing) goes into the process as well, unlike molded plastic and stampings. Considering these are cost cutting measures, I have a hard time justifying 50% more than a comparably sized polymer gun like the Glock or S&W M&P.usp9 said:
schmeky
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I'm sorry, but yes, they are worth it.
I believe FBI and ATF agents can purchase and carry a special variation of the TRP if they jump through certain hoops, however it is not the standard sidearm. The FBI issues Glocks and a few Sigs, I believe ATF used to issue Sigs but is switching to the M&P, not 100% sure on that though. I've always heard that Glocks are popular with the Israelis, but again not sure what their special forces issue. Discovery/History/NatGeo aren't very good with fact checking details about guns in their shows.
That's awesome. I hope everyone reads that. Sums it up.In case some are wondering what post #2 and 3 are referring to
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/
Sorry, it's still kinda funny.
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