Why are HK's so dang expensive?
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its sarcasm...
A long time ago HK had an ad where the photographer (obviously not a "gun person") loaded the rounds into the magazine backwards. They wont actually feed rounds loaded backwards (although I haven't tried with mine, so perhaps they do
)Because so many people buy into marketing. No other reason. There are no super secret reason's behind it. There is no Military that favor's one weapon over the other, they use what's issued to them. Even the SEAL's have been moving away from the HK's they had.
Yes, I've owned one. No, I would never pay that much for one again. I would rather have a custom 1911 made.
Yes, I've owned one. No, I would never pay that much for one again. I would rather have a custom 1911 made.
DannySeesUSMC
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NidStyles, who told you SEAL teams have been moving away from HK firearms?
mbruce
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It'd be awesome if he replied --- "Because I am a SEAL, and RECON, and I dropped out of Green Beret training on the last day....."
usp9
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I suspect his local gun shop owner, who happens to be currently trying to sell him a economical $3000 Nighthawk, told him this information.
Chris Rhines
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I don't have a whole lot of time on the H&K platform, but several of my friends own and carry them. The H&K P30, just as an example, is very well made, very reliable, and amazingly accurate - noticeably more accurate than other service pistols, in fact.
I've been pretty well impressed with the H&Ks I've shot in the past few years, although got quite impressed enough to switch away from the Smith M&P platform.
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I've been pretty well impressed with the H&Ks I've shot in the past few years, although got quite impressed enough to switch away from the Smith M&P platform.
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Because I am also a pilot, I have fired buddies pistols who are company issued new compact USP .40 pistols.... so yes, I guess they are given" 20 year old wore out new USP .40's" (according to one of the postsings)... We are both shooting law enforcement issue ammo, he had a couple of FTE's and my worn out XD.40 seems to just eat whatever... He had to qualify for his carry, then for the airlines, and has logged over 1,000 rounds of quality ammo. He's a shooter, so he's pretty aware of technique, and how to run a pistol. We traded guns for 50 or so rounds.... he liked my XD a lot, and I wanted my XD back... I understand everybody has their own preference and pistols can be equal, and one likes one or the other better. I just didnt see the magic pistol in his $800+ pistol...
Over rated, and over rated again..... but at least it had a few FTE's .... it had that going for itself... Meanwhile.... So in the end of the day, we shot around 440 rounds each, and I had 0 ftf,or fte's and he had a couple at least FTE
. Coming from a guy who logs 1000 rounds a month, give or take a hundred, I think I am a good example of chance. I may not be the best, or most accurate, but I am for sure steady. Even my buddy was pretty dissapointed in his "$1,000" pistol.... 
Over rated, and over rated again..... but at least it had a few FTE's .... it had that going for itself... Meanwhile.... So in the end of the day, we shot around 440 rounds each, and I had 0 ftf,or fte's and he had a couple at least FTE. Coming from a guy who logs 1000 rounds a month, give or take a hundred, I think I am a good example of chance. I may not be the best, or most accurate, but I am for sure steady. Even my buddy was pretty dissapointed in his "$1,000" pistol.... rellascout
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Did you determine accuracy using a mechanical devise like a ransom rest? If not all you are really saying is that you are accurate with the P30 which might or might be true for anyone else.
IMHO one cannot claim that one pistol is more accurate than another if they have not examples from a rest.
HKs are fine guns. They are combat accurate and they have a high rate of reliability in adverse conditions. Only the individual can determine if it is overpriced.
Mitch from LA
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Well put.
Why are HK's so expensive?
Why are Glocks so expensive? HiPoints are so cheap, afterall.
There is a hierarchy of quality. Not all steel is the same. Not all plastic is the same. There are patents to get around. There are labor costs. There are import costs. It all adds up.
HK is of a better quality than the XD. Experience with high-end guns allows one to discern the difference.
Why are Glocks so expensive? HiPoints are so cheap, afterall.
There is a hierarchy of quality. Not all steel is the same. Not all plastic is the same. There are patents to get around. There are labor costs. There are import costs. It all adds up.
HK is of a better quality than the XD. Experience with high-end guns allows one to discern the difference.
klash545
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they make less pistols most likely and the cost of making them is more so they cost more....plus the exchange rate has something to do with it i'm sure. the pistol is cheap compared to training and ammo over the years of owning it. if glock charged HK prices they'd still be worth it....sigs are too. those companies set the standard for reliability and accuracy the trifecta of world class pistols.
Better? Ehhh.... thats vague. Better is hard for me to accept, seeing that on the same reccomended ammo, he had FTE's or FTF 's and I didnt. Will that HK be better in 20,000 rounds? Probably.... but what Joe Blow runs his CCW that much. I'm fortunate that I get to shoot a lot. I'm definately not saying that a Glock or XD is a better pistol, but from what I have seen, they run just as, if not more reliably than an average stock HK...
Madcap_Magician
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Don't forget the fanboy factor.
Since H&K is pretty friendly with video game designers, swarms and swarms of fanboys exist who have never actually fired any real guns, much less an H&K gun.
Those people are willing to talk up H&K guns endlessly as being made of magic unicorn meat and unobtainium that will kill bad guys without even firing.
... which is a good thing, since the rounds are loaded in the mags backward.
Since H&K is pretty friendly with video game designers, swarms and swarms of fanboys exist who have never actually fired any real guns, much less an H&K gun.
Those people are willing to talk up H&K guns endlessly as being made of magic unicorn meat and unobtainium that will kill bad guys without even firing.
... which is a good thing, since the rounds are loaded in the mags backward.
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Didn't realize that holding a gun allows one to know what its made of. Baseless opinion is what that is.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Owned a USP .45---one of the most unreliable POS's I've had the misfortune to lay money down on----traded it for something that worked. Luckily got most of my money out of it.
Its more than overpriced--I'd place it with the Jennings and Hi-points in the pistol pecking order of manufacturors.
Never again.
Its more than overpriced--I'd place it with the Jennings and Hi-points in the pistol pecking order of manufacturors.
Never again.
mbruce
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quality is defined by personal preference .... I'd put a Toyota Tacoma 88 way above Ferrari in terms of quality. But to me quality is a truck that can withstand dirt, mud, water....it is not based on luxurious feel.
Rellascout really put an end to this thread when he posted "because people will pay what they are asking" -- the mod could have closed this thread after that post.
ny32182
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If you are actually going to shoot, the price of the gun means practically nothing.
20k rounds of factory 9mm will likely cost around $4400. A high volume shooter will shoot that much or more, each year.
So you see, $650 vs. $850 for the pistol itself really means nothing. Buy what you like ergonomically and/or shoot well.
FWIW I don't know any high volume shooters that shoot HKs. To me they are just another plastic pistol on the block. No better or worse, objectively, than a Glock, M&P, etc. Unfortunately I don't have the money to figure out whether one will break a couple fewer parts on the way to 100k+ rounds. And since parts are cheap, I don't really care.
20k rounds of factory 9mm will likely cost around $4400. A high volume shooter will shoot that much or more, each year.
So you see, $650 vs. $850 for the pistol itself really means nothing. Buy what you like ergonomically and/or shoot well.
FWIW I don't know any high volume shooters that shoot HKs. To me they are just another plastic pistol on the block. No better or worse, objectively, than a Glock, M&P, etc. Unfortunately I don't have the money to figure out whether one will break a couple fewer parts on the way to 100k+ rounds. And since parts are cheap, I don't really care.
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