New gun owner: confused and overwhelmed

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Hi friends! This is my first post and I hope it is a good one...

I have recently been bitten by the firearm bug. I don't know how it happened. I don't currently own a gun and didn't experience any brushes with danger, but now I find myself obsessed with gun ownership and have been researching my arse off trying to decide on a couple sweet pieces.

I will try and not make this another gun A vs gun B fanboi debate as I'm sure the fine folks of this forum have been down that road enough. Hopefully I can formulate my questions in such a way as to alleviate the majority of potential wasteful discussion.

First a little background information regarding my firearm experiences and desired firearm characteristics. I have shot a friend's Glock 17 (I think first gen.) and enjoyed it. I also rented a 1911 S&W and XDM 3.8 9mm compact with the small mag in place. The 1911 felt smooth and secure in my hand. The compact XDM did not for obvious reasons. Also, I managed to pinch the base of my hand really good when slamming a mag in. I think my hands are just too big for compact autoloaders (I'm about 6'3" and 215).

I went to a local gun store and handled a Sig 226 which felt REALLY nice in my hand. I have held another Sig with a Hogue grip which also felt amazing. I think the XD's feel better in the hand than the Glocks, but the Glocks don't bother me all that much and when I have the proper grip, they align nicely with the target.

This may sound weird but my first and foremost want in a gun is magazine capacity. Since I have bigger hands I don't have to worry about fat grips. The caliber I am interested in at this point is the 9mm and the .45. With those two criteria in place my research has led me to the Glock, the Springfield, and the FN. All three of those makers seem to have healthy standard magazine capacity and have higher than average quality ratings. I should mention that while I don't have a preference per se for plastic guns, I don't mind them either. I appreciate their light weight and modern looks and don't have the nostalgic sentiment towards all metal guns like some of the more seasoned collectors would have.

Safety is a big concern for me. I have changed my gun choice many times researching stories about the big, bad KB! I was really dead-set on purchasing an FN Five Seven because they seemed cutting edge as well as had some exceptional performance figures regarding tissue damage and armor penetration (using non-FN, high performance commercial ammo). But after reading a few stories of KB's and the relative scarcity of these guns on the market, my interest waned. Since my primary goal is self/home-defense with my gun, I think I can achieve my goal more safely with higher caliber weapons instead of expensive aftermarket 5.7 ammo.

The reason I tried out the XDM 3.8 compact is because I LOVED the 19 rd mag/grip extension for home defense, with a smaller mag/grip with 13 rounds for easy concealment. The 19 round mag/grip felt great in my hand while the smaller mag seemed doable. Once I got to the range though the gun seemed to jump around in my hands more than I liked and I already mentioned the mag bite I received (probably from being a noob but still..). Another thing that kind of derailed my momentum towards the XDM was all the internet comments about a bad trigger and the gun shop attendants (where I rented the gun) commenting on how unusually often they have to send their Springfield rentals back to the factory for repairs compared to Glocks.

It appears after digesting all the Glock Kabooms out there the consensus is that most problems were limited to the .40 and .45 calibers with the .40 being the most problematic. It appears that Glock's part of the responsibility has been met by improvements/recalls in the offending models. Since I won't be considering the high-pressure .40 model, I only need to worry about the .45. I watched the hugely popular Glock 21 torture test and was impressed with how much abuse that Glock took. Would I be correct in saying that Glock 21's have been improved enough over the years that they should have no propensity to blow compared to any other gun?

The FN .45, while not as popular or widespread as the other two brands, has been steadily gaining rave reviews from shooters all around. It is rather big but seems to feel very good in the hand and is deadly accurate. I love the massive mag capacity! The problem that has been circling around the web on these guns are the nasty habit of failing to feed/load certain types of ammo. If my memory serves, Winchester was one of the jammers. Safety AND reliability is my first concerns with my choices so if this is a persistent problem, I think my decision would be easy regarding this gun. Does anybody know more details on this ammo compatibility problem?

So to summarize, I think I'm looking to buy two guns at this point: a 9mm and a .45. I don't mind the look of the Glock but some of the stories have me worried (is the .45 still partially unsupported?). I like the XD's but are the high-maintenance comments justified? I really like the upandcomer FN. 45 and 9mm but the .45's ammo compatibility issues sound weird.

Sorry for the long post if it pained you and thanks for listening. I am open to all suggestions regarding weapons that are $1k or lower and have higher than average magazine capacity as well as strong safety and reliability records. I need to make up my mind because my head is spinning and my craving for a fine firearm isn't waning. :)
 
Either caliber would be a great choice. 9mm is plentiful (so far) and relatively inexpensive to shoot at the range with ball ammo. You hear debates about stopping power of a 9 vs 45, but what I feel matters the most is can you put rounds to target well and with whatever caliber you can do it with. I have a CZ75B and it is an excellent shooter. I also have a Ruger P95 which shoots very well and for a starting 9mm pistol offers great quality at a very reasonable price (300-350). I am going to get a Glock 19 with night sights in the future. As far as 45ACP you can't go wrong with any of the 1911s out there.
 
Welcome to The High Road

For your first, stick with a 9mm. For several reasons. It's cheaper and easier to shoot, which will give you more comfortable time shooting the gun, practicing. You can always buy a .45 down the road when you hone your skills and are prepared for the jump in ammo costs

I would get a Glock. Sounds like you want a fuller gun, large capacity mags, so a G17 would fit the bill, 17+1. The Gen3 Glock is near the top of the list as far as 9mms go...some don't like the Gen4 Glocks, you can decide for yourself. Spend 475-500 on a Gen3 G17 and spend the other 500 on ammo/maybe a light for HD purposes and you will be on your way to learning a new hobby in no-time. Good luck
 
I like the XD's but are the high-maintenance comments justified?
Every gun has its issues, and finding objective data via the internet is difficult and time consuming. I can say that my XDM has been flawless, and my friend's Glock has at least one FTF (failure to feed) every time we're at the range. But that's one person's story. I think if you scour the internet for days on end you'll find that the horror stories for Glocks and XDM's are actually both very rare compared to many other guns. I really don't think you could go wrong with either.
 
Breathe and slow down...

There are tons of guns. There is no single best gun for everyone. Personal preference plays a huge roll.

My advice is shoot a lot of stuff before you buy. Once you have shot say 10 to 20 guns. Run them all down this list.

  • Feel in the hand. Does it point naturally.
  • Trigger reach... can you reach the trigger without altering your proper grip?
  • Trigger pull preference. DAO, SA DA/SA etc.... Pull as many triggers as possible. LOL
  • Pointablity... when you pick it up and point it naturally which one's sights line up best.
  • Groups... 5 shot groups. Did one pistol group better than the others.

I am a firm believer that guns pick you as much as you pick guns. Some will fit others will not. Do not try to fit a square peg into a round hole. One will stand out. Get that one. Get only one and then get some training. Learn to shoot properly. I agree with the other member who suggest 9mm. It will be cheaper to shoot and that will matter. I make the comparison to starting to play golf. You should hit a couple thousand balls at the range before you play your first round.

Get the 9mm that fits you right. Then get training and shoot it a lot. Once you have good muscle memory and good habits you can expand to other calibers. Good luck. Have fun and be safe.
 
Buy a Ruger or Browning Buckmark .22. Shoot about 10,000 rounds (that's what it takes to get proficient with a handgun), then once you know something about handguns, choose a centerfire handgun based on your needs. Note: 500 rounds of .22 in a bulk pack costs about $15, while 500 rounds of .45 costs about $200... Do the math and then consider it will take you about 10,000 rounds to become a decent shooter.

We're all fanboys here of one kind or another so we're all going to recommend our favorite pistol, which doesn't do you one bit of good. Learn to shoot BEFORE choosing a defense pistol.
 
Welcome,
I think someone is blowing smoke at you regarding the XD. I have one that is dependable and as accurate as one could ask for. It has a Powder River trigger upgrade and it is a hair short of being like a 1911 trigger. I've had a Glock and will say nothing bad about them, but the Glock is gone and the Xd is still with me.
Frankly there's a lot of BS shot about XDs, you know the hiiiigh
bore axis junk, the made in Croatia instead of Austria stuff, just don't pay any attention to it. I don't for a minute think that XDs require any more maintenance than any other gun and probably a whole less than some (1911 hint, hint). The XD is a fine gun.
Good luck with your hunt.
 
I recommend the Glock G19. Small enough to carry if you decide to do that down the road (G17 I feel would be too large). Also holds 15 rounds, so capacity is there and then some if you consider extended mags. 9mm will let you practice more and save money toward a 1911 for your .45acp.
 
SHOOT THEM
best money you can spend isn't on a gun
it's on shooting classes and range rentals, one range I went to would let you change rental guns if you wanted (except for the NFA, but for them you paid for the rental, lane and Instructor)

Most guns work great, but what feels good for me, works well for me, might not for you. As long as you avoid known junk and understand the principles behind how your gun works, you should be fine.

Also, counter monkeys are there to get you to buy...
and if they can sell you on the $1200 1911, they will.
 
There are tons of guns. There is no single best gun for everyone. Personal preference plays a huge roll.

QFT!

Saying it plays a huge role is actually an understatement.
My advice would be to pick a caliber you feel will do the trick, go to as many gun-shows you can find and fondle every single last gun in that caliber (hells, every single gun you find) until you trip over one that knocks your socks off. As long as you stick to reputable names and check it over (there's some guides on here on how to do that) you really shouldn't have a problem.
Stop worrying about minutae and start enjoying your new hobby. 8)
 
I would go with g21 personally . But having recently owned a Ruger SR9,(Which I didnt keep long cause Im not a fan of a 9mm). I would check out the Ruger it holds 18 with one in the pipe. Large grips and it is a Ruger. Ithink there about a $100 dollars less than a Glock.
 
Your asking a question that can only be answered by you. Sounds like you want full size duty gun. You can asked a hundred people and get a 100 different responses. If you have a range that rents guns, go shoot some and then go shopping. That's half the fun of buying a handgun.
 
9mm- Glock 19/17, S&W M&P9, FNX9, Walther P99/PPQ or, HK P30.

.45- S&W M&P45, HK45/45c, FN45.

All of those are excellent handguns and will serve you well. When it comes right down to it, the way a gun feels in your hand does not really effect your shooting so long as you can still establish a proper firing grip and reach all the controls. What you need to be looking for is a firearm that is

1. Reliable
2. Accurate
3. Concealable (if you plan on carrying it)

Nothing else really matters. The guns I listed all fulfill the reliability and accuracy requirements (actually, I can't say for sure with the PPQ). Whether or not you can conceal it depends on your build and clothing. You should be able to conceal all of them except maybe the FN45 and HK45.

Oh, and the 5.7 is not a good terminal performer. The page I'm linking to, which mentions many studies saying basically the same thing, is about the 5.7 out of a P90, terminal performance is just going to get worse out of a handgun.
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19913
 
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I've got the full sized XDm and love it. Zero problems and in 9mm it holds 19.
SpringfieldXDm001.jpg

My newest and fast becoming a favorite is the FNX-9.
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I have recently been bitten by the firearm bug. I don't know how it happened. I don't currently own a gun and didn't experience any brushes with danger, but now I find myself obsessed with gun ownership and have been researching my arse off trying to decide on a couple sweet pieces.
Since you have decided you can afford and plan to buy two guns for your first handgun I think you would be doing yourself a real disservice if one of them was not a full sized .22lr of some sort.
 
I have big hands too, and I like my Glock 17. I have problems with compact grips in most cases. It can be conceal carried also, at least it works fine for me.
I also agree that we can't decide what you like/need. Lots of good choices. I'd stay with the popular (for a reason) models like Glock, XD, 1911, M & P, etc.
 
I have average/below-average sized hands and I think my Glock 17 is a good fit. Certainly, other guns are more comfortable to hold (the M&P9 comes to mind), but I shoot better with the Glock. You've already tried the XDm and the Glock, so I think you should try the M&P9 as well, if you have the chance. I tried the vanilla XD9, M&P9, Glock 17, and Glock 19 before I made a decision. I knew I wanted something striker-fired, so I tried the usual suspects. As it turns out, I shoot the Glocks better than the other two, but the M&P9 was far and away the most comfortable to grip (for me).

Try things out, and chances are if it's built by a reputable company, you shouldn't really have too many issues.
 
Since your main use would be self and home defense, you want a gun with fairly high power and capacity.

A gun with a short grip for concealment (lower capacity), and longer grip for home use (higher capacity) in one gun can be had as you know, in the XD compact .45 and also the Glock 30 .45. These .45's have thick grips which probably would fit your hand well, though at the same time would be a bit less comfortable and concealable than similar guns in 9mm.

The 9mm versions of course are a bit thinner and have more capacity.

Any one of these would fill your dual purpose well. It's just a matter of which one feels and shoots best for you, and if you prefer 9mm or .45.

Bobo
 
Also, as you are a new shooter, I would strongly recommend a 9mm over a .45. I know that by going with the 9mm as my first serious handgun I have been able to practice much more than I would have had I gone with a .45. This has helped me to vastly improve my shooting.
 
You're over-analyzing. It's only your first gun. Once you have 3 or 4, you'll know which one you like best. :)

As for kB's, don't worry. In 9mm, a Glock can withstand much higher pressure than any ammo you come across. The Glock 17 is actually endorsed by the manufacturer to fire underwater, and that's a lot higher pressure for the barrel and chamber. (Do not try at home without educating yourself about the dangers, limitations, and necessary precautions!)

Glock .45's are also plenty strong. They're built on a 10mm platform.

The 40 Glocks are not the overbuilt "tanks" that the 9mm and 45's are, but they're fine, too.
 
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I also agree with the statement, "It's only your first gun."

The fun in this sport is in trying, buying, trading and selling lots of guns through the years as you slowly evolve into what gun is your "perfect" gun.

IF you buy quality, popular firearms and take care of them, you'll get enough when you sell or trade them to economically step to another gun!

Heck, even the "high capacity" desire will probably evolve over the years. Most of us who shoot a lot eventually end up with a S&W Airweight J-frame snubbie in our pocket as our "always" (with us) gun . . . and they only have five rounds . . . and generally these rounds are "just" .38 Special.

We are all responsible for the damage caused by every round we fire, and I'm very focused on putting every one I launch into the intended target and no where else.
 
I would definitely go with 9mm for your first gun. Starting with bigger calibers leads to bad shooting habits i.e. flinching and recoil anticipation. And if you get the latest generation defense loads the difference in handgun calibers is negligible. If you can comfortably hold a glock than that is probably the way to go. Lots of aftermarket parts available and their reliability is unquestionable. I wish they fit my hand..... send me a pm if you are interested in a g17 or g19 for under $400. I happen to know a place on the internet that just got some in.
 
I suggest a 9mm ..... because the ammo is cheap and plentiful.

And as far as the pistol .... I like a double action, because it's safer for me. My favorite gun so far is a Sig 226 in auto, and a S&W 642 in revolver
 
Are XDMs durable and reliable? I have two XDMs and between the two i have fired just over 12,000 rds of assorted ammo and have never had a single problem or malfunction of any kind. My full-sized model has seen alot of duty and abuse and is no worse for wear after about 10,000 rds through it. From my personal experience these pistols are every bit as reliable and tuff as Glocks. Thats just my experience though...
I have two friends and a relative who also own XDMs and while theirs have not seen quit the round count or abuse my XDMs have, they like me have experienced 100% absolute reliability.
Reguarding the trigger, mine is completly stock and I think its one of the best stock triggers on a striker-fired DAO pistol, but opinions vary i guess. Glocks are great guns but IMHO their stock triggers suck, to me they have always seemed alot more like a DA revolver trigger ie. (real long trigger pull)
Last but not least I also own an M&P and absolutly love it as well. I would suggest you give it your consideration too. Alot of LE agencies are switching their Glocks out for M&Ps now.
As far as my favorite out of the two, well it all depends on which day you ask me!!!
Tonight I would have to say the XDM though:) Wait maybe not:(
 
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