whats wrong with 10mm?

"The 10mm is a niche cartridge"

If the 10mm is a niche cartridge then so is the .357 magnum. If you compared the two without any preconceived biased opinions you would see that they are more alike than not. They do exactly the same things, just from different platforms.

The only problem with the 10mm is that the major manufacturers and the shooting public at large refuse to give it the same attention as the big 5. (9mm, 40S&W, 45acp, 38 special, .357 mag.)

"The 10mm is a niche cartridge" BS!!!

There is no other mainstream semi auto handgun cartridge with anywhere near the same level of versatility that the 10mm has.

Just because the bean counters at wally world decide not to carry it in their stores, says nothing about the cartridge itself.

JROC said:

Yeah I understand that to house it you need a .45ACP size gun, but it's called being a man.

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uh-huh

JROC said:

BTW you must be pretty dumb for buying a G21SF as it's pretty much the exact same size as a G20SF. Why would you buy a gun that's not as good as a compact gun for CC? With your mentality it's a pretty useless gun right?

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1. There is this thing called open carry. Big pistols are not a problem

2. My S&W 642 and Glock 26 and Glock 19 already cover my concealed carry requirements quite well.

3. There are advantages to a pistol for home defense. Big pistols are not a problem.

Unlike you I do carry so that I am likely to actually have it if I should need it.

If the 10mm is a niche cartridge then so is the .357 magnum.

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...if you could buy 10mm pretty much anywhere ammo is sold, even Walmart...if you could fire less expensive .40 in your 10mm (straight up, no changes to the gun at all)...if virtually every handgun manufacturer produced ammo for 10mm...if there were more guns than you can count chambered in 10mm in all sizes from tiny airlites that disappear in a pant pocket to full size behemouths....then you might have a point. But since all of those things apply to .357 and NOT 10mm...

Just because the bean counters at wally world decide not to carry it in their stores, says nothing about the cartridge itself.

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No but this

The only problem with the 10mm is that the major manufacturers and the shooting public at large refuse to give it the same attention as the big 5.

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says a whole lot about the cartridge.

I am not sure refuse is the proper word, more like reject. And there must be more than "the only problem" because if it were profitable it would be given attention, and its not.

The 10mm had its chance and it did not get the traction so many of us hoped for back when it was introduced. No amount of hope from its supporters can make the 10mm acceptable to the shooting world at large.

If law enforcement agencies or the military used it production would increase, people would take notice and the major ammo manufacturers would give more/better options. Price might come down as well. This will probably never happen, though, and it will continue to be a niche cartridge

quote: If law enforcement agencies or the military used it production would increase, people would take notice and the major ammo manufacturers would give more/better options. Price might come down as well. This will probably never happen, though, and it will continue to be a niche cartridge


True..the 10 was only mainstream for a short time back in the early 90s.

But I have noticed that more and more people are shooting 10MM these days.

The good thing about the Glock platform is I can run .40/.357SIG or 9X25 out of any Glock 20 or 29. So I will always be able to feed my Glocks.

Be well, Bob

I shoot various 10mm but have found that reloading 40sw gives me very close to 10mm performance with plentiful brass. Of course if I want 1500fps I use the 10mm. Some call the 40sw a weak round but definitely not so if you handload. I shoot 40sw in my sig at 1200fps with 180g hp. I am a 45 guy at heart but like the 40 the more I shoot it.

uh-huh

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Whats your point? If you are looking for a full-size gun you are likely not looking to make it your primary CC weapon, and if a double stack .45ACP gun isn't too big for you to handle then neither is a G20SF and people who fit that criteria shouldn't be offended by the size of the gun. I have a co-worker who has a regular G20, and the G20SF has a better feel to it. You brought the CC thing into the discussion after I'd already said that a G20 isn't the best gun to consider for CC purposes so why did you want to turn this into an argument? If someone asked me what are some good CC weapons for them to consider I wouldn't tell them to look at G17's, full-size 1911's, XD's, M&P, SIG P226's, or CZ 75's either. In all my purchases I've never prioritized CC because I like bigger guns. Again I would like a G19 as it's an easier weapon to CC.

1. There is this thing called open carry. Big pistols are not a problem

2. My S&W 642 and Glock 26 and Glock 19 already cover my concealed carry requirements quite well.

3. There are advantages to a pistol for home defense. Big pistols are not a problem.

Unlike you I do carry so that I am likely to actually have it if I should need it.

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Are you a LEO carrying on duty? I don't remember open carry being legal in the state of GA, and I lived and grew up there for a long time. Has this changed since 2003?

Your 3rd option pretty much covers one of the main reasons I purchase firearms. That and it's legal in SC to carry a gun with you in your vehicle. I'm glad you are starting to understand. Another good reason is while you could get thrown in a situation where you need to use your firearm it's likely not to happen, and so I like to shoot my guns, and I would rather have a full-size handgun to shoot than a compact handgun.

I agree with others for the 10mm to become a mainstream round it need to get some LE/Military support which seems unlikely in this day and age as it is perceived that women and smaller guys can't handle it. IMO 10mm is easily more manageable than .357 Mag and I feel that if 10mm had been invented 20/30 years before it was that it would have become a popular round.

10mm reminds me of .280 Rem for a handgun. It's a great round that just hasn't hit it off in the mainstream, but it's so good, and enough people support/use/appreciate it that it keeps it around and popular enough where buying a gun to fire it isn't really a bad idea as you can get ammo for it. Both are also popular rounds for people who load their own.

Are you a LEO carrying on duty? I don't remember open carry being legal in the state of GA

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I've been here since 2007 and I've been paying attention to nationwide carry laws since 2005. Open carry, in my memory, has always been legal in GA.

I'm getting my G20 this month.

And if I was so inclined to purchase retail ammo it can be bought at several LGS in my area. Wal-Mart need not apply. Last time I was in a China-Mart was to purchase my hunting Lic. Will do it online next time. Thus I look forward to reloading for the 10mm and shooting it a lot.

The 10mm is getting a better following as time goes by. Two of my LGS are now keeping them in stock. And they never stay on the shelf long at all. Two years ago 10mm anything was a special order.

I can't think of one bad thing concerning the 10mm.

Warp said:

So what do you call ammo that passes the Walmart test?

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Mostly ammo that I don't buy, I prefer the good stuff.

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ps - all the good stuff is just a mouse click away...

Mostly ammo that I don't buy, I prefer the good stuff.

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ps - all the good stuff is just a mouse click away...

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I would like to buy practice/range ammo for my 9x19 handguns. What is the good stuff and where do I get it?

Shot two more 10mm offerings today:

- Underwood 165gr HP 1431.7 FPS/ 751.2 LBS
- Buffalo Bore 200gr FMJ 1179.6 FPS/ 618.1 LBS


Loving the Underwood and almost have enough brass to send in for .36 a shot reload. Love shooting the 10!

Sheet is updated:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...Eh6eGZ3N3hpUU13SXM5cm9pZy16T0E&hl=en_US#gid=0

Warp said:

I would like to buy practice/range ammo for my 9x19 handguns. What is the good stuff and where do I get it?

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Midway USA baby. Click here (once)

I was on gunbroker today and did a search for 10mm pistols/revolvers. There were eight different brands for sale out of something like 45 offerings.

I see nothing good. Try again.

Do they have Wal-mart in Georgia?

I don't reload. If I did reload it would be for common calibers

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It is a common caliber in terms of reloading. The dies are .40SW, the bullets are the same, the powder probably is too if you're loading for multiple calibers, the primers are the same as a .45 ACP. The only thing that is unique to the 10mm that makes it less common is the brass.

I'm getting my G20 this month.

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Congrats!

10mm in all sizes from tiny airlites that disappear in a pant pocket

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Okay fine! You win! The 10mm is a niche cartridge... just dont make me shoot a 10mm from a airweight

I wouldn't want to shoot it from an airweight either. Nor .357 mag for that matter

I ordered my G20 today from Sooner State Pawn in OKC. They beat Bud's, Davidson, my local FFL, a out of state FFL buddy and the Tulsa market hands down.

I look forward to picking up my 10mm next Sat. And combing the OKC market for reloading supply's.

Warp said:

I see nothing good. Try again.

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You'll have to try with your eyes open...

http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=3&categoryId=7550&categoryString=653***691***



I myself prefer the 20 rounds Hornady 180 grain xtp jacketed hollowpoint for $16.99

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Surely you can find something of interest in their 12 pages of 9x19 ammo?

http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=3&categoryId=7508&categoryString=653***691***

DammitBoy said:

Surely you can find something of interest in their 12 pages of 9x19 ammo?

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Nope. It is all over priced and/or unwanted.

If you have a specific example please give it.

Or do you like paying $16.29/50 of WWB 9mm? Gimme a break.

I consider the 10MM to be the ultimate combat handgun. My reasons are as follows:
1. True handgun magnum ballistics.
2. Larger diameter of bullet.
3. Relatively flat shooting (for a handgun).
4. Able to penetrate reasonable barriers.
5. Heavier bullet weight (above 150 grains).

Now I'm not concerned about over-penetration, slightly higher recoil, reduced magazine count, heavier pistol, or larger pistol size. I do not CCW my 10MM. I do consider it the better combat round and prefer the 1911 base.

Is my post subjective? You bet it is, and I know it. It is soley my opinion based on my interpretation and experience relative to ballistic charts, shooting recoil, wound data, follow up shots, etc. It is simply my personal choice and free opinion. Have a good one guys.

I consider the 10MM to be the ultimate combat handgun.

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Well at least one military unit agrees with you

The Danish troops that patrol Greenland carry the Glock 20 for polar bear protection. Although the combat with the polar bears is limited

But alas they do go back to the Sig p210 9mm when "back in the world"

I don't know. I done heard somethin' about a right ta keep an' arm bears, or somethin' like that.

that's funny.....

I don't know about the ultimate combat thing but the G20SF I have is a fine woods gun. I tricked the gun out ith some after market springs and barrell and taylored some good loads for it. I plan on doing some huntin with the gun. I am a revolver man at heart and load for just about all magnum handguns. The 10 MM is powerful and accurate in a nice size carrying package. This G20 in particular is my favorite auto and will be my bow hunting companion in the morning. There is nothing wrong with the 10 MM IMO.