Cocked & Locked??

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As a new Concealed Carry participant I am trying to understand the safest and moste effective method of carrying my Kimber 1911. Assuming that I am carrying with a round in the chamber, should I leave the hammer fully cocked? (as in attached photo)

Should I release the hammer half way?? (half cocked?)

Should I release the hammer fully, allowing it to ride the firing pin? (seems risky if weapon is dropped or bumped)

OK you experts & experienced types, I know this is probably a stupid question but your advice and comments welcomed.
 

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The only way I will carry a gun cocked and locked is if the holster has a strap between the hammer and slide. That way if the hammer does drop the gun can't go off. Otherwise to answer your question you should be carrying with the hammer cocked and safety on. If not you should have bought a double action. :)
 
Cocked, safety on. Really, if you follow the four rules, the only time the hammer should be down is after an IDPA stage. Otherwise, the other carry methods make you carry AFTER YOU HAVE PULLED THE TRIGGER ON A LOADED HANDGUN!

And it's not a stupid question. None of us were born knowing everything about guns, unless you have a youtube channel. :D
 
I carry a different pistol. I have never been comfortable with a cocked and locked carry.....chris3
 
Hammer down against the slide is perfectly safe on a 1911, because the firing pin is of the inertia type.
It is shorter then the hole in the slide, and can't reach a primer unless the hammer falls full travel and knocks it out of it's hidy-hole in the slide.

Cocked & locked is safe, even without a strap.
Because even if the hammer somehow falls without the trigger pulled, and the grip & thumb safetys stopping it being pulled?
The safety intercept notch on the hammer will catch it before it hits the firing pin.

But the hammer cannot fall if the trigger isn't pulled.
And the trigger can't be pulled unless the grip safety is depressed and the thumb safety taken off.

Add in the fact that your Kimber has a positive firing pin lock that will only allow the firing pin to reach a primer with all the other safetys off when the trigger is pulled fully to the rear.

However you decide to carry it loaded, hammer down, or cocked & locked, is perfect safe, if you don't squeeze the grip safety, take the thumb safety off, and pull the trigger.

rc
 
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Cocked and locked, safety on. In that mode two safeties must be operated and the trigger pulled to fire, it's very safe.
 
I see you are new to concealed carry. Are you new to this particular pistol?
I carried a 1911 for years in the military and I CC one still on occasion. I carry mine with the hammer down with a round in the chamber, I can draw and cock the hammer as fast as I can draw and slip the safety.
The point I'm making and I'm surely not an expert is, that there are many ways to safely carry that pistol. What you have to do is find the one that you are comfortable with.
Take it out and draw and fire until you feel right with the way you want to carry it.
 
The 1911 is one of the few (if only) handguns that was designed specifically for either condition 1 (C&L) or condition 3 (Hammer down on empty chamber) carry. European designs were not designed for C&L even if some are safe to carry this way.
My 1911 is always cocked&locked.
 
Depending on what I am doing. I do general remodeling work so I bend and twist and turn alot. I typically carry my Kimber 1/4 cocked. I have pulled the trigger on it a thousand times and the hammer won't fall.

When just out in public and not working its cocked and locked.
 
I carried my issue 1911 cocked and locked. Condition one. For awhile during the brief stay of a temporary CO, we carried condition zero. Cocked, locked. Magazines were kept on the belt, not in the pistol. To bad it took 911 for the miltary to wise up.
 
I said:

"If someone snatches your pistol cocked and locked is the safest way."

SharkHat asked:

Could you explain your reasoning behind that?

Sure, I recently read a statistic claiming that one out of five people in law enforcement who get shot in the line of duty are shot with a snatched service pistol. Most cops carry Glocks and even a person who has never fired a handgun can shoot one. I have handed my locked and cocked 1911 to enough people at the range who had to be shown how to take the safety off to know that even seasoned shooters who is not familiar with the 1911 can’t shoot it without being shown how. There is virtually no chance that an unfamiliar person who snatches my 1911 can figure out that there is a safety much less how to get it off before I punch his lights out. Remember, most gun fights do not happen at 7 yards, they happen WITHIN 7 yards sometimes when you are wrestling on the ground with your assailant who most likely is not a devotee of Jeff Cooper and does not understand how to take the safety off a 1911.
 
Cocked with safety on. Be mindful of your holster. Some models have a tendency to rub the safety to the off position. You need to do some testing with your holster/carry method to ensure the safety stays engaged if that is how you wish to carry.
 
Sure, I recently read a statistic claiming that one out of five people in law enforcement who get shot in the line of duty are shot with a snatched service pistol. Most cops carry Glocks and even a person who has never fired a handgun can shoot one. I have handed my locked and cocked 1911 to enough people at the range who had to be shown how to take the safety off to know that even seasoned shooters who is not familiar with the 1911 can’t shoot it without being shown how. There is virtually no chance that an unfamiliar person who snatches my 1911 can figure out that there is a safety much less how to get it off before I punch his lights out. Remember, most gun fights do not happen at 7 yards, they happen WITHIN 7 yards sometimes when you are wrestling on the ground with your assailant who most likely is not a devotee of Jeff Cooper and does not understand how to take the safety off a 1911.

I understand the 1911 vs Glock argument in that regard.

I guess my question is this. If someone is unfamiliar with the 1911 and can't work the safety, how does hammer position have any influence on their ability to use the weapon?

For the record, I'm in the cocked and locked camp. I'm only asking so that I can understand your position better, not to disparage it.
 
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If someone gets close enough to snatch your pistol, it means you were on the phone or texting someone and not paying attention to your surroundings...chris3
 
Cocked and locked for carry. If that bothers you, then consider another design. That is what the 1911 is designed for, and other designs work better with the hammer down (like any double-action).
 
I usually carry hammer down. Better for my peace of mind and anyone who happens to glimpse my Kimber when i bend over or get out of my car. Most Kimbers have a firing pin block mated to the grip safety. But if you carry hammer down, train and practice two things: cocking the hammer as you clear the holster (it CAN be akward. Practice til it's second nature.) and placing the pistol in Condition One without drawing, or drawing attention to yourself.
 
Isn't that dangerous?
Yes, yes it is.


The above is old school talk. Now, they carry Glocks condition zero and ask the same odd question.
 
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