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I won a CZ 104-A mallard 20ga in a raffle. I have put somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200 shells through it. The triggers were horrible when I received the gun. I sent it back to CZ who worked some sort of vodoo on them and it came back with in three weeks.

Not nearly as pretty as the high end O/U granted and I don't mind the double trigger. I have dropped alot of clays, dove, and pheasant with this gun.
 
I have looked at the Stoegers before, but the Mossberg Silver Reserve seems to fit me well. Does anybody have experience with those?

These are just as bad, if not worse, than the Stoeger.

Bottom line... avoid: CZ/Huglu, Stoeger/Boito/EA Armantion, Mossberg Silver Reserve/Kahn, Remington Spartan/Baikal.

You just can't get a good O/U at the price point those sell for, and the pump gun or auto you already have is probably a better choice.

I think this thread from SGW has been linked here before, but it bears repeating... it doesn't get any more true than this... http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=253741
 
Buddy of mine has a nice CZ O/U and has used it through 2 dove seasons, shoots a lot of dove, probably has a 3 or 4 of cases through it at least and it's still going strong. I like it, looks well made, but he gave 700 or so for it. I think it's a Turkish gun, had my doubts when he bought it, but it's proven its worth by now.

I have heard much good about the Yildiz and its warranty work is done by Briley near Houston. However, the things just don't fit me. Fit is important. I don't own a O/U as yet, may someday, have a couple of SxS working guns that didn't cost that much, 300 for the Spartan, and it's a good shooter. It's a might simpler, though, having twin triggers and extractors. I've got several cases of dove loads through that thing since I got it. I love the way it points and shoots, deadly. I'm not in a big rush to get a O/U at this point. I think if I get one in the future, it'll likely be a Browning. I like the Citori. Yeah, I know, it's heavy, so what? For dove hunting and waterfowl, that can be a good thing. I'm not a quail hunter and that's the only legal upland game in my state. I can't eat clays so I don't shoot 'em.
 
Buddy of mine has a nice CZ O/U and has used it through 2 dove seasons, shoots a lot of dove, probably has a 3 or 4 of cases through it at least and it's still going strong. I like it, looks well made, but he gave 700 or so for it. I think it's a Turkish gun, had my doubts when he bought it, but it's proven its worth by now.

We have VERY different standards. 4 cases is only 1000 rounds. I wouldn't even call a good gun fractionally on the way to being broken in after a mere 1000 rounds, much less declare it to have passed the durability test.

Durability is measured in tens of thousands of rounds...

There was a time, a few years ago, when I was shooting 60,000 skeet targets a year. I still have that shotgun, and I would CONSERVATIVELY estimate that I've shot 800,000 rounds with it. I've had one hammer replaced, and set of firing pins about 50,000 rounds ago, and a few springs changed when they already had it apart for the firing pins. THAT is reliability...
 
If $400 is your TOP end of the budget (some folks just have these pesky budgets yanno) one can occassionally find a decent used O/U at a gun show (usually prior to entering :) ). That said I wanted a cheap O/U a few years ago and got a CZ Canvasback O/U that's powdered plaentyof clays without a hiccup. Was a bit stiff on break when I first got it but after a good cleaning and grease on the knuckles it loosened up nicely. Got it through CDNN.
To qualify I've owned Ithaca, Remington, Mossberg and Beretta shotguns and while the CZ is in no way comparable in quality it's still taking a regular diet of clays 2 years later. Just my .02 and worth what you paid for it. :)
 
Durability is measured in tens of thousands of rounds...

There was a time, a few years ago, when I was shooting 60,000 skeet targets a year.
I'm not sure I've shot 60,000 shotshells in my lifetime. But then I'm only 56 and I didn't get started till I was 10.

I average 750 -1000 rounds a year total for my annual take of Doves, Ducks, & Geese these days. The two to three hundred doves I take a season accounts for the lions share of rounds expended. I guess by your standards, I could own a gun 30 years and it still would not have proven itself durable.

You were right about VERY different standards. Just like the guys with Perazzis and Krieghoffs who think the guys with Brownings and Berettas wasted their money.
 
I was 30 before I could afford a quality O/U - a Beretta 12ga. which is still have at age 56. Now I own 2 O/Us, and two SxSs.

Before that, I used a cheap pump - Mossberg 500.

Don't buy cheap guns, you will only be wasting your $.
 
We have VERY different standards. 4 cases is only 1000 rounds. I wouldn't even call a good gun fractionally on the way to being broken in after a mere 1000 rounds, much less declare it to have passed the durability test.

Durability is measured in tens of thousands of rounds...

There was a time, a few years ago, when I was shooting 60,000 skeet targets a year. I still have that shotgun, and I would CONSERVATIVELY estimate that I've shot 800,000 rounds with it. I've had one hammer replaced, and set of firing pins about 50,000 rounds ago, and a few springs changed when they already had it apart for the firing pins. THAT is reliability...

Well, good on ya, but I don't waste my time or precious money on stuff I can't eat and shooting doves, most shooting I get, I'd have to live in Argentina to shoot that much in two seasons. I'd venture to say, MOST folks are with ME on this. Damned few shoot a bazillion rounds a year. Most are just bird hunters like me. That may not be the case on a given gun board, but it is nation wide. So, I don't think a hot shoe skeet shooter is relevant to MY needs. The OP can make his mind up for himself on this one if he spends all day 24/7 on the skeet range.
 
I'd venture to say, MOST folks are with ME on this.
I'm not with you. I doubt my hunting gun shot a flat of shells last year most of which was for practice. But I prefer to use good gear I can rely on and don't cheap out on the lowest price I can find. Quality gear costs money. Crap gear lets you down, most often at the worst possible moment and then teaches you the lesson that you should have bought quailty in the first place.
 
I'm not with you. I doubt my hunting gun shot a flat of shells last year most of which was for practice. But I prefer to use good gear I can rely on and don't cheap out on the lowest price I can find. Quality gear costs money. Crap gear lets you down, most often at the worst possible moment and then teaches you the lesson that you should have bought quailty in the first place.

+1 - buy quality once, cry once - buy crap, pay over and over


Well, good on ya, but I don't waste my time or precious money on stuff I can't eat and shooting doves, most shooting I get, I'd have to live in Argentina to shoot that much in two seasons. I'd venture to say, MOST folks are with ME on this. Damned few shoot a bazillion rounds a year. Most are just bird hunters like me. That may not be the case on a given gun board, but it is nation wide. So, I don't think a hot shoe skeet shooter is relevant to MY needs. The OP can make his mind up for himself on this one if he spends all day 24/7 on the skeet range.

Right, nice try at making snide comments - but you have enough time for almost 20,000 posts - maybe you should try shooting some clays - it really is a lot of fun. Buying a crap gun, even if you do not shoot as much as a target shooter still sucks when you are out in the dove field and your gun goes "click" because something cheap broke
 
I wouldn't be shooting anywhere near 800,000 rounds, but I would frequent the skeet range about once a month, maybe a little more. It looks as though CZ might be an option, but I did find a reasonably priced Lanbar on CDNN. It's a little outside my price range, but my hunt isn't until October so I can save up.
 
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I found a Charles Daly from 1980, it was $400. It was made in Italy by, more than likely, Beretta. The Miroku made ones are a bit more.
 
snobby, snobby, snobby, snobby. Oh well, not my problem. This dove season I'll just sit back, crack open a cold cooler inhabitant and get my limit with my stoeger uplander.
 
Right, nice try at making snide comments - but you have enough time for almost 20,000 posts - maybe you should try shooting some clays

Why? I shoot fine on birds. I have shot clays informally, just not going to dump 60K rounds at 'em in a year, not my thing. We're moving, i''m retired, getting a house in Barksdale, Texas. Well, I say we are, we're going through the paperwork, gonna sell here. Now, Edwards county population is something over 2K people, the WHOLE FRIGGIN' COUNTY, ROFL. It's kinda like expecting there to be a sporting clays range on mars. It can be there if you build it for yourself. I'm moving there BECAUSE of the sparse human population, actually, and all the outdoors things to do there. It's some of the best hunting around, good fishing there, lots of pretty scenery and twisty roads when I wanna get out on my little SV650S. I'm going to have plenty reason to get up every morning there. There is no gun range anywhere up there that I can find. Until I can get my place sold on the coast and buy some land up there, I ain't sure where I'll shoot my rifles and pistols. That's gonna be a bummer, especially if I can't play with my cap and ball revolvers.

And, I appreciate "quality" shotguns, but there's a limit. I won't take a nice wood/blued Browning, let alone a Purdy, into the salt marsh unless I could get it camoed and put plastic stocks on it. And, a gun out there HAS to have a sling on it. I was putting out deeks once, laid my Mossberg over some salt grass in an attempt to keep it out of the water, was 20 yards in front of it in the pitch dark and got walked up on by a hog that HAD to be 400 lbs. He walked right up in the pothole with me before he realized I was there, no more'n 15 yards from me and me mired in muck 20 yards from my gun. He went on his way when I screamed at him, but I sling my shotgun with 2 rounds in the magazine now when tossing out the deeks. It's easier walking with marsh chair banging into my slung shotgun and my decoy bag on my back if I have it slung, too, especially when I'm carrying a limit of birds on the strap. And, then, there's times I hunt across Buffalo Lake and use the kayak, sling required. I'm going to keep using my Mossberg out there, has held up for 20 years and I don't really care how many scars are in its camo paint. :D


The little Spartan, I've said before, I bought it for one purpose, to break down and stash in saddle bags for dove hunting trips. I have a college buddy that farms north of Waco and we get together every year to hunt doves at his place. I often take a motorcycle and the little Spartan breaks down saddle bag size. I've taken to the thing, though, and prefer it to my Winchester 1400 for doves in certain situations, but it'll also reach out there on long passing shots, just the 12 does that a little easier.

None of my guns are expensive guns, but I've had a few of 'em a very long time and they all still work and I'm sure my SIL will like 'em in a few years when I'm gone. I don't shoot clays and don't wear my shotguns that fast. I like 'em, I bought 'em for me, didn't really buy 'em for your approval.
 
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Buying a crap gun, even if you do not shoot as much as a target shooter still sucks when you are out in the dove field and your gun goes "click" because something cheap broke
I know that feeling. Learned it on a benelli sbe1, twice about 3 years apart, broken firing pin each time. A cheap part that shut down two goose hunts. I'll never own another benelli product.
 
I've had the Mossy stick a 3" Winchester Hi Speed Xpert steel load quite often, stopped using 'em. I'd have to pull the barrel off and get the shell out with my multitool. It peeved me when I had to do this, but I got back in action. I switched to 2 3/4" high speed Xpert and it works 100 percent, go figure. It kills ducks just as dead and works in my 2 3/4" Winchester on the rare occasion I wanna use that gun on ducks. I love using it, but it's wood/blued steel and doesn't have a sling, not very duck marsh friendly.

Anyway, that was ammo related. I've found a little tackle shop in Fulton, Texas, on the way to the duck marsh from Corpus, that has all manor of duck hunting supplies (sort of the thing, down here) and stocks Kent Fasteel. I'm going to pick some up sometime, probably next season, in 2 3/4" and try it out.

In 20 years, this is the ONLY problem I've had with the Mossberg 500. I've not had any problems with any of my other "cheap crap".
 
I have a Stoeger coach gun, not an O/U but similar, the quality is ok. The most common problem is soft firing pins. It's an easy $25 fix. All you need to do is remove the firing pin collars and install the new pins, 10 minute job.

http://longhunt.com/storelh/index.php?route=product/product&path=88_95&product_id=237

I only paid $200 for mine and that's about all I would consider paying, save up the extra money and buy quality.
 
Savage O/U, anyone?

I see in this morning's paper that Dick's has the Savage 512 Gold Wing O/U (silver engraved receiver with gold pheasant inlays) on sale for $500.00.

Savage rifles, of course, enjoy a sterling reputation---any opinions on this particular shotgun?
 
I'm doing some math cause it stimulates my widdle brain and if I didn't reload and bought, let's say 8 shot 12 ga cheap, at .27 a round and I shot 60,000 rounds a year that means I spent 16.2K on ammo. Ok so let's say I exaggerated and had some leftover stuff that I bought in bulk and it was only .20 a round then I only spent 12K on ammo. I reckon I'm gonna shoot less and buy more 3K guns. But I still like my cheapo Canvasback cause when I shoot skeet out back with one of the sons pullin the rope on the thrower I still have a lot of fun without worrying if anything's gonna break except my eyesight or my shoulder cause I'm old and brittle :eek:
 
I'm doing some math cause it stimulates my widdle brain and if I didn't reload and bought, let's say 8 shot 12 ga cheap, at .27 a round and I shot 60,000 rounds a year that means I spent 16.2K on ammo. Ok so let's say I exaggerated and had some leftover stuff that I bought in bulk and it was only .20 a round then I only spent 12K on ammo. I reckon I'm gonna shoot less and buy more 3K guns. But I still like my cheapo Canvasback cause when I shoot skeet out back with one of the sons pullin the rope on the thrower I still have a lot of fun without worrying if anything's gonna break except my eyesight or my shoulder cause I'm old and brittle

Your point is exactly what?
 
I bought in bulk and it was only .20 a round then I only spent 12K on ammo.

I was buying shells two pallets at a time, so it was a good bit less than .20 a round. Either way, your number isn't hugely off... but shooting is so theraputic that it's money well spent.
 
Holy crap! A lot of people on this forum have way too much money!

I imagine they are shooting all this ammo off the deck of their yacht while sailing in the Caribbean. Or at least that's what I'd be doing. :)
 
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