I'm in a dove club where we are required to hunt with 410s. I currently shoot a Mossberg 500 pump which I bought used. It gets the job done and actually does better than the other repeaters some of my buddies shoot. For some reason there are feeding and cycling problems with most of the 870s, 1100s and BPS. Apparently the 410 shell causes them difficulties, however my old Mossberg digests any brand of shell I feed it. Anyway, I am looking to upgrade to an O/U by next season, and I need some input/advice on what to get. I know a good one ain't cheap, and the cheap ones generally ain't good, from what I hear. I don't have very deep pockets, But $1500 is doable by next season. Any thoughts from the shotgun gurus?
410 over/under
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witchhunter
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Never had an issue with either of my 870's in .410. But, don't let that stop you from buying a new Citori in .410!! They are as sweet as carnation milk. One of my pards just got an old 1100 skeet in .410 and boy can he shoot it.
Virginian
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I would spend the money on a new club membership.
Hey Virginian, I'm from central LA myself. When the idea about using 410's to shoot doves was brought up I thought " well this is crap, They're hard enough to hit with a 12 ga. " However our landowner gave us no vote on the matter, so we all stayed in and went along with the idea. I like it now- you're not near as beat up like you would be with the big gun. You can't shoot as far because of the thin pattern as range increases, but you learn to adapt. Only real drawback is cost of the shells= abt. double of 12 ga. ammo. The 410 is a pleasure to shoot and I want a nice O/U by next season. There are 10 of us in the club and we reached 1,000 birds with the 410s last Sat. this season. We're all good friends, some since childhood, so I'm happy with our club- I'd have to get kicked out to leave. I keep and cook some birds, and keep my buddies at work supplied with fresh doves, which they appreciate. I do tag any birds I give away, by the way.
Hunterdad
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The CZ O/U's are supposed to be pretty decent and a hell of a value.
mudstud
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Beretta also makes the 686 Silver Pigeon I in .410. Very nice guns, for the money. In my area, these retail for $1899 new, but have heard tell of $1819 as well. If you can, compare the Browning Citori to the Beretta SPI. They feel quit different. Chances are, you will prefer one over the other. I don't know all the different models Browning makes the Citori in, but Browning generally has about every possibility covered.
Deltaboy1984
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Save the money for shells and shot that Mossie.
Delta, your post makes a lotta sense, prolly the most practical way of solving my dilemma. The name of our dove club is " Fourth Quarter Dove Club", reason being that most of us are 60 or older. I've never owned a "nice" gun, just some good serviceable ones like 870, 500, 1100, etc. shotguns, and a few decent rifles. Before I leave all this to ya'll I would like to have and use a
"nice" shotgun, and that in my book is a quality O/U. That is my reason for looking to upgrade, not a need, just a want. Thanks for the input, tho.
"nice" shotgun, and that in my book is a quality O/U. That is my reason for looking to upgrade, not a need, just a want. Thanks for the input, tho.
oneounceload
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A nice and gently used Browning or Beretta can be had for that money, maybe even a new one if you shop around, one with 30"barrels will have great swing dynamics
Fleetman
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My favorite is my American Arms Silver that I used for years shooting skeet....it was purchased as a two-barrel set, 28ga/.410. I prefer it over my CZ for handling and "feel" although the CZ is still available and very nice itself.
When i shot competitive skeet, I loaded .410 - 2-1/2. Not really any more difficult to reload than larger shells. My rates were a little slower, I would get 100 plus shell per hour with 12, 20 and 28 gauge while 100 minus with .410 - 2-1/2. Cost of a reloaded .410 shell is very reasonable.
I have a Browning Cynergy in .410. It shoots nice at skeet.
Briley makes a line sub tubes for shotguns that are not too expensive and do not require fitting. You might find a nice 12 ga. Of course, a tubed 12 ga will be a bit heavier than a .410 gun. But, a heavier gun will keep the swing going.
oneounceload
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Just remember that if your gun is an inertia model, you will most likely need to have the triggers changed to mechanical as a heavy 12 with the additional weight of tubes will mean the first shot form a 410 will most likely not have enough energy to reset the second trigger to fire
loose noose
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I believe Mossberg makes an O/U in the $600.00+ range, I'm not sure of the model "Gold Eagle" or something, I handled one at the LGS and it was pretty sweet. Looked like it had some pretty nice figured walnut on the stock.
I shoot a .410 also for dove and quail over a dog, like you said, you have to pick your shots very carefully but it is very do able.
Speaking of reloading I've got a Mec 600 JR. in .410 and I can kick out about 100 rounds an hour of quality rounds, for little or nothing, in fact it's a lot cheaper than reloading for my 12ga.
I shoot a .410 also for dove and quail over a dog, like you said, you have to pick your shots very carefully but it is very do able.
Speaking of reloading I've got a Mec 600 JR. in .410 and I can kick out about 100 rounds an hour of quality rounds, for little or nothing, in fact it's a lot cheaper than reloading for my 12ga.
+1 from me too. You pay money to belong to this club? I'd move on.
wleggart
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$400 dollar over and under
check Yildiz at Academy Sports they are the sole importer. It would make a good marsh hen gun as well! I know that you wouldn't shoot a grobec.
check Yildiz at Academy Sports they are the sole importer. It would make a good marsh hen gun as well! I know that you wouldn't shoot a grobec.
joed, as I replied to Virginian's post, I enjoy being a member of this group of friends. If I wanted to "move on" as you suggested, I would. I'm not asking for advice on the wisdom of my choice of hunting venue, only input on the choice of 410 O/U to purchase for next season. Thanks anyway.
I shot dove and pheasants With a 12 Ga untill my mid 40's, then stepped down to a sweet little BC Moroku in 20 Ga. (yea, lost my hair and my jump shot too)
10 years later, a beer bet had me turning a pair of Savage pump gun barrels into full choke, sub Ga. tubes for the 20. That little o/u (with the tubes on board) swung very much like my Browning 30 inch, high rib trap gun and the 3 inch .410's kept my average up.
Last summer, I picked up a Moruku O/U .410 28, inch barrels, at an estate sale auction, Winning bid was $356.00. (when you wish upon a star...) I sent it to Briley for 3 inch chambers, long forcing cones and screw in chokes. When they pry it from my cold dead fingers, sombody is gonna get to own a heluva fun gun... While you are waiting for that lightning strike, pick up a, low cost, matt finish, very ugly, stoeger O/U in .410. several of my hunting buddies swear by them. A screw in choke install, around $175.00, will make a good little gun much more versitile. If you need to chop it up, to make it fit you, you won't feel bad... A camo dip covers a multitude of sins.
I too hunt with the "over the hill gang" 62.5 and alive is the entry requirement. We can always find room for another camp rocker at the fire pit.
Joed and Virginian, you guy's remind me of my first wife. She closed her eyes during sex, 'cause she just couldn't stand to see me have a good time...
Paul
10 years later, a beer bet had me turning a pair of Savage pump gun barrels into full choke, sub Ga. tubes for the 20. That little o/u (with the tubes on board) swung very much like my Browning 30 inch, high rib trap gun and the 3 inch .410's kept my average up.
Last summer, I picked up a Moruku O/U .410 28, inch barrels, at an estate sale auction, Winning bid was $356.00. (when you wish upon a star...) I sent it to Briley for 3 inch chambers, long forcing cones and screw in chokes. When they pry it from my cold dead fingers, sombody is gonna get to own a heluva fun gun... While you are waiting for that lightning strike, pick up a, low cost, matt finish, very ugly, stoeger O/U in .410. several of my hunting buddies swear by them. A screw in choke install, around $175.00, will make a good little gun much more versitile. If you need to chop it up, to make it fit you, you won't feel bad... A camo dip covers a multitude of sins.
I too hunt with the "over the hill gang" 62.5 and alive is the entry requirement. We can always find room for another camp rocker at the fire pit.
Joed and Virginian, you guy's remind me of my first wife. She closed her eyes during sex, 'cause she just couldn't stand to see me have a good time...
Paul
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I'm not associated with this guy in any way - but I happened to notice a .410 for sale in the shotgunworld classifieds.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=377942
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=377942
oneounceload
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That is a heck of a deal for that gun
loose noose
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grobec, The Mossberg O/U I referred to in my post is called a Silver Reserve, and is priced at $539.00 at Guns America. It does have walnut stock and single selective trigger, with 3" chambers. It looks to be high dollar with the silver receiver etc.
oneounceload
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Looks can be deceiving as its quality is very suspect. Mossberg does NOT make this gun. Guns with two barrels require a lot more handfitting than others and that costs time and money
Red, you kinda sound like a kindred spirit, so to speak. The idea abt. the Stoeger has merit, in fact one of my buddies has one and I shot it after he had limited out and my Mossy had broken down with me needing 2 more birds. I finished my limit with the Stoeger and I liked it. This is our last weekend to hunt doves, as our landowner doesn't hunt the 3rd split of the dove season, as he wants things to quiet down for the deer season. So I'll finish out this season with the Mossberg and have most of a year to save up for a new O/U. I figure that I'll get a nice one and maybe have some time to enjoy it, and then pass it down to one of my grandsons when the time comes, hopefully a few years from now. Thanks for the observations.
Sagetown
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Mossberg's Silver Reserve II (made in Turkey) is the new version with (supposedly) all the kinks fixed, that the original Silver Reserve made by Kahn had given us. I have the old one, a good one so far.
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