I have some doubters about the 1500 FPS 9mm +P+

whoah.

Does it explode if there is a piece of lint in the barrel?

What if you put a drop of oil in there, or fire it in the rain?




With the right powders you can certainly play well into proof load territory on many calibers, it is just foolish to do so as you remove the margin of error that is added for slightly off cartridges, minor powder changes over time, unexpected barrel or firearm conditions, and many other slight variances that occur in real life.


Most likely a contact shot in self defense with such a load for example would result in a bulged or burst barrel or case rupture venting pressure into the firearm and/or out the ejection port.

Concur with Zoog's statements. I think that there's way yonder too much emphasis placed on velocity. It leads people to take unnecessary risks in pursuit of the "magic numbers."

As a wise man once noted: (paraphrased)

The pressures required to accelerate a 115-grain bullet to 1500 fps in 4 inches of barrel are more than sufficient to blow your eyes through the back of your head."

Back in the old days, standard factory 115's were loaded closer to 1250-1300 than the now usual 1150 or so so a 115 +P+ at 1500+ seems normal and "proper".

I do not doubt the OP's velocity figures.

115 grain Double Tap 9mm +P is advertised at 1415 fps from a Glock 17. I have chronographed Winchester Ranger 127 grain +P+ at an average 1372 fps from a Glock 17, beating the factory ballistics for a .357 Sig.

I do wonder why it is necessary for people to want to blow up their guns in the search for that extra 50-100 fps.

Bragging rights? Showing off their mangled/missing hands and arms?

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

115 grain Double Tap 9mm +P is advertised at 1415 fps from a Glock 17. I have chronographed Winchester Ranger 127 grain +P+ at an average 1372 fps from a Glock 17, beating the factory ballistics for a .357 Sig.

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Those are still a long way from 1500.

Is there any documentation of these rounds causing mangled/missing hands and arms, blowing your eyes through the back of your head, or exploding if there is a piece of lint etc. in the barrel?

I shot around 50,000 essentially proof loads through a forged Hi-Power many years ago and had to replace the firing pin stop once (I dry fired a lot) and the slide developed a hairline crack.. I sold that gun for more than I paid for it retail.. with the crack.

That'd make a fine varmint load.. eyeballs meet back of head indeed.

Is there any documentation of these rounds causing mangled/missing hands and arms, blowing your eyes through the back of your head.

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Not documented, but I knew of one young lion about 20 years ago who lost a finger and severely damaged his thumb from an overloaded .45 Colt round, and totaled a nice old SAA in the process. The kid's sunglasses saved his eyes.

When you pull the trigger, you're essentially touching off a controlled explosion 18 inches from the end of your nose. Is another 50-100 fps really worth the risk?

I shot around 50,000 essentially proof loads through a forged Hi-Power many years ago and had to replace the firing pin stop once (I dry fired a lot) and the slide developed a hairline crack.

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Where was the crack? If it was in the port, adjacent to the breechface...it'll be a ka-blooey event sooner rather than later.

And just in case you missed the point, I'll say it again.

"The pressure required to accelerate a 115-grain bullet to 1500 fps in 4 inches of barrel is more than enough to blow your eyeballs through the back of your head.

Doubt it?

http://www.google.com/search?q=pict...fficial&client=firefox-a&source=hp&channel=np

1911Tuner said:

Not documented, but I knew of one young lion about 20 years ago who lost a finger and severely damaged his thumb from an overloaded .45 Colt round, and totaled a nice old SAA in the process. The kid's sunglasses saved his eyes.

When you pull the trigger, you're essentially touching off a controlled explosion 18 inches from the end of your nose. Is another 50-100 fps really worth the risk?

Where was the crack? If it was in the port, adjacent to the breechface...it'll be a ka-blooey event sooner rather than later.

And just in case you missed the point, I'll say it again.

"The pressure required to accelerate a 115-grain bullet to 1500 fps in 4 inches of barrel is more than enough to blow your eyeballs through the back of your head.

Doubt it?

http://www.google.com/search?q=pict...fficial&client=firefox-a&source=hp&channel=np

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I operate under no assumption that bad things don't/won't happen in the world.
I asked if the chicken littles had documentation of this load causing what was posited/asserted above.
Your link to Google of "pictures of blown up revolvers" is a red herring and not germaine to my query.
Oh, and that Browning cracked above the ejection port, as would be/is expected.

I have personally witnessed three revolver blow ups due to overpressure loads. Revolvers are much safer for the shooter in this type of accident as the pressure is vented upwards carrying parts of the gun with it. Risk to bystanders is very much a factor.

I have also witnessed overloads in semi-auto. In those instances the pressure blew downwards into the magazine cooking off some of the loaded rounds. Results were usually injury to the shooters hand. I would hate to see the result if the slide came off the frame into the shooters face.

I too would like to see a target that could tell the difference of 100 fps. in max loads.

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.I too would like to see a target that could tell the difference of 100 fps..

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It is generally conceded that 400fps and 45fpe is what it takes to kill a man.

I've seen a Judge blow out a cylinder(.410 brown bear shotshell) and had a kel tec 9mm blow the slide off in my hand (the takedown pin broke) so ya stuff happens but I think my 92FS can handle those Gold Dots so off to the LGS I go. I got a pesky opossum that's been wrecking havoc for weeks and he's been too quick for me so far but I'm gonna bet he can't outrun these smokin' hot babies.

Back on track..

1500 is sweet!

Your link to Google of "pictures of blown up revolvers" is a red herring and not germaine to my query.

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Well, then...do carry on! After all...it was proofed with proof-level ammo.
Right?

I guess those ballisticians who had a hand in setting maximum data in the manuals were Chicken Little types who were way scared.

That "expected crack" above the port...Does it run vertically from the port...about an eighth of an inch forward of the breechface...toward the rail?

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Well, then...do carry on!.

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Alrighty!

Just curious...

Did the slide crack look like either of the ones in this illustration?

Tell me, do.

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