*** 10-round magazine limit argument ***

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Would it be too much to hope for that the morons only specify 'clips' in the legislation, and neglect the mention of 'magazines'? lol
 
After seeing the 3d printer thread on another forum where a poster made a working lower for his AR, I'm wondering how easily things like Pmags could be made.

IIRC during the last ban, floorplates, followers, and springs could be purchased forever. It was the magazine body that had the restriction. So if one could make their own, you could get around just about any ban whether the body needed to be date stamped or not.
 
I don't think people here are concerned that the law will be difficult to break. Rather, we shouldn't need to be concerned that continuing to exercise our rights is going to become illegal in the first place.
 
Precisely my point. They are not really interested in the effectiveness of the regulation, but rather the perception that they are doing something.
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I disagree completely. Groups like HCI have made is public they know they can't get what they want all at once so incremental-ism is the name of the game. First you get the magazine limit, then you prove it doesn't work because you can just change magazines on dangerous semi autos, then you ban weapons with interchangeable magazines or semi-autos, then you go after pistols, then shotguns. The magazine bans are not symbolic, they are a means to an end.
 
Why 10?

Comrade,
10 rounds good mnemonic for rallying support when redistributing liberty from Reactionary Running dog Teaparty types.
Reminds followers of Glorious Revolution -- after 2nd Amendment Rights redistributed -- only 9 left to redistribute.
 
I would say its the lowest double digit number so from a public relations standpoint it
is the easiest low number to sell to the ignorant masses.
 
Tommygunn said:
The 10 round limit is political BS.
Soon they will be after all detachable mags, then all rifles that can hold a number of rounds....
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That's it right there. If you let the camel get his nose in the tent, sooner or later you end up freezing under the stars.

I've already heard people calling for a ban on all semi-auto firearms. I also heard a call for six-round limits and no detachable magazine on any and all firearms. I'm picturing semi-auto handguns that take stripper clips. The ignorance is astounding.
 
My apologies if this has been discussed before, but what is to stop a criminal from making their ''high capacity clip" by cutting the top and bottom off two magazines and attaching them together or hammering out and indentations in a reduced capacity magazine?
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Nothing at all other than a little self discipline to follow through on a goal.
 
The funny thing is the 10 round magazine ban spurred the boom of smaller more concealable guns, and the resurgence of the 1911. It only decreased the popularity of pistols like the P226, Beretta 92, and other large high capacity weapons and moved manufacturers to smaller and more concealable weapons.

Do yourself a favor and go on D. Feinsten's website. You can see where she is heading and all the lies it spreads. She credits the Assault Weapons ban with reducing gun violence in the US 6.7% even though there where more weapons sold and a ton of states passed concealed carry laws during that time period. She also states Al-Qaeda promotions tell terrorists to come to the US because you can "easily buy fully automatic assault weapons without a background check" to which she credits the gunshow "loophole". We need to call her out on these lies.
 
It would be much easier to buy a bunch of AK 47's and stuff them in a container full of teddy bears. You know like they do in Libya and other places that have gun control laws. The only thing that stops terrorists from attacking the US mainland is we would hunt them down like the dogs.
 
In the Army, Infantry, live fire range, bounding assault, forest. I was a private who was handed an SAW, 5.56 belt fed machingun that accepts m16 mags asa a backup to the belt feed.

I had never fire the gun except for qualification, once. We were out of box/belts for it so they gave me 7 mags. Load, get up, run , dive, hit pop up targets while others move, reload, get up, run while others fire.........repeat.

I fired all 210 rounds in less than a minute, hitting targets and not dropping a single mag. The other SAW gunner(with a few more years of experience) didn't go through one belt(they wanted a high volume of fie for this exercise).

Even with the limited mag capacity and no experience with them, I out shot a belt fed weapon. The difference was motivation, not equipment or training.
 
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After seeing the 3d printer thread on another forum where a poster made a working lower for his AR, I'm wondering how easily things like Pmags could be made.
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If you love us all, please delete that.......


Send me a PM, so I can delete mine.

*runs to the dip tank*
 
Grahluk said:
It is arbitrary and ridiculous. As a law abiding NYC permit holder I am subject to this already. Both a friend and I shoot Sig P226's with 10rd reduced cap magazines. Shuttling back and forth from range point to lounge to refill magazines is disruptive to our range sessions and to other members organizing their sessions. Often we would each bring 5 magazines and load them twice for two 50 round sessions on a range visit. While sitting at the table after finished loading mags we both looked at a table of full of 10 round magazines and commented "but having just one 15 round magazine is illegal?"
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Going OT here. Are you not permitted to reload magazines on the line?
 
What is it with this magic number???

A Romak-3, Romanian psl clone, in 7.62x54r with a 10-round magazine is not too dangerous.

A 22lr Pistol with a 15-round magazine is too dangerous.
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Comrade:
Wrong headed Tea Party-based thinking in post shows serious counter-revolutionary thinking problem.
Report reeducation center now.
 
My thoughts are that we do not give the shooter any kind of news coverage mentioning his or her name except for the name COWDARD thus diminishing the feeling of going down in history by name . if perhaps one survives said assault there should be a brief trail followed by a very public execution with in a couple of hours of the trial thus eliminating the need to feed clothe or otherwise make them comfortable for any reason see the trend here if the laws that are already in place were adhered to this would not even be a discussion but instead we are debating a issue that the lazy lawmaker have created and now looking for someone to blame , no accountability for them...
 
Back when the original "assault weapons" ban passed in 1994 the powers that be made an offer to the NRA: Support the ban and we will exclude the AR15 from the ban list and change the magazine capacity limit to 20 rounds. The NRA didn't fold, and we got stuck with the ban for ten years.

I'm not saying the NRA should have supported the ban, they clearly made the right choice. However, that shows that 10 rounds was just a number they picked, and they would have been just as happy with 20 and an easier time getting their bill passed. A ban is a ban after all, they could always try and restrict things more later.
 
i've said it before, against a mugger, ten rounds is probably fine. when you really want more than ten rounds is if you were faced with a mass shooter, ironic then that a mass shooting may bring about a limit on ammo capacity.
 
Nothing but stupid people talking about a subject they know nothing about.

Most shooters with a little training can do a magazine change in 1.65 - 2.0 seconds. Anybody who really thinks there is a significant difference in 2, 15 round mags VS 3, 10 round mags, probably should form-up with the kool aid line.

Just listened to a dem on FOX spewing about how they have to ban magazines that can shoot hundreds of rounds per minute??? Even mentioned assault ammo??? That is the second time I've heard the assault ammo verbiage over the weekend. Another anti was ranting about how the .223 was invented only to kill people and tumbles when shot...

Why let the truth or facts get in the way of politicizing a crisis or tragedy.

Most of us get it. The anti-gun crowd looks at it this way: You take this, because of recent events...next time someone breaks the law, they take more until finally nothing is left.

Criminals and the criminally insane don't follow the laws anyway.
 
I've got no problem with a 10 round limit, as long as it applies to LE and Mil alike. The militia clause was in place to put the people on the same footing as the government. So if you change the rules it applies to everyone.

Jim
 
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