New 9mm search advice.

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Centurian22 said:
Otasan56: see above statement from wife: "I wouldn't own a Glock if it was the last *(colorful adjective)* gun on the planet." I'm not a fan either. They don't feel right (to us), and I have a huge problem paying a primium price for a handgun that has design flaws including a hole in the grip that allows dirt, lint or other foreign matter directly into the trigger group, and using .40 cal springs in their 9mm guns leading to FTE stovepipes if the round isn't hot/heavy enough and grip isn't perfectly solid. I'm glad they work so well for so many but they aren't for us....
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I'm just going to throw this out there...

1) Glock may not feel right because of your improper grip. Watch Robert Vogel hold a Glock -- that's how you hold a Glock.

2) If you are concerned about debris and lint entering into the "hole in the grip" then you might as well pass on that Miami Vice 1911 Pearl Grips b\c that purrty little thing won't even like dust mites floating in the air...and shooting it outdoors will blind you or others at the range shooting near you.

3) I stand corrected Glock uses 17lbs springs in their full size 9, 40, etc.

4) I always smile when i pull lint from my pockets. I'd probably get a bigger smile pulling lint out of my glock

if you want credibility to your posts you don't bash one of the most popular handgun makers of all time...and especially don't bash glock then go post up a pic of a Miami Vice 1911.
 
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Well after pairing sugestions from this thread with as much research as I can do from a smart phone, We have our list to take around to the gun stores to handle. It doesn't seem like a 1911 will be a great match. The top runners are, in no particular order: CZ-75B, Beretta92 or M9, Ruger SR9, and Taurus 24/7. I'll be looking at stainless models where available. I liked the Canik's but don't expect to be able to find them in local stores, and even online availability (especially of the c-100) seemed pretty scarce and I'm not talking about 'in stock' either, just had alot of trouble finding them even listed anywhere.

Thanks again to everyone for their input and I'll report back (or possibly in a new thread) after some hands on research occurs.
 
Mbruce:
1) This may be true, I was unaware that glocks required a special and different grip. This only furthers my personal dislike for them but out of curiosity I will follow up on this as I have a friend with two glocks that I can try this with. I do not object to training of any form, however I would rather purchase something that naturally 'feels right' and comfortable to my wife and I as opposed to having to learn to like it.

2) Having almost no personal experience with 1911's I appreciate this info but could you cite a source (even if its personal exp) for this. I was under the understanding that 1911's have been one of the most reliable handguns in existence, hence their popularity.

3) The gun in question is my father-in-law's 25th anniversary Glock 17. I / he never chose to use .40 cal springs. Upon having problems he contacted Glock and learned that THEY used .40 cal springs in their 9mm gun! My apologies for not being more clear about this. I also never said anything about FTF, it was an FTE. They would provide the proper 9mm springs if asked but my complaint is if I spend over $600-700 (because it was the 25th anniv) or even $400-500 for a 9mm handgun I should not have to contact the manufaturer and get them to send me the right parts that I then have to install myself. I don't reload for 9mm (yet), I was refering completely to factory ammo as that's all that was used in this gun. I prefer light to medium loads for anything I shoot but here in lies the problem: 115gr 9mm FACTORY ammo was not 'powerful' (or heavy) enough to reliably cycle the action. Yes it worked 90% but again buying brand new and paying a primium I demand better than 90% performance ESPECIALLY from a carry gun.

4) I'm not suggesting that pocket lint would be likely to cause any problems (I would be worried about dirt, twigs, or other debris encountered in the woods of Maine) as I know glocks are proven in their overall reliability and longevity. I'm suggesting that it seems utterly ridiculous to me to have this flaw especially after 4 generations of the gun! Why should I have to spend more money on an aftermarket part (slug plug) to fix a design flaw that should have been fixed by the manufacturer?

Lastly I was never "Bashing" anything. I merely quoted my wife's statement and because they had been listed multiple times, despite never fitting my original post of requirements in the first place, respectfully (unlike certain replies) stated why I do not care for them. I posted the pictures of the 1911 because it is something my wife indicated interest in as this is a dynamic and changing search where she has never purchased a centerfire handgun before. Her (and my) preferences were the major purpose of this thread in the first place. I respect the choices of others to carry what works for them and for many people that is a Glock, good for them, it's not for us. I ask only that others extend me the same respect (though that appears it may be too much to ask for).

Stop trolling and in the future please refrain from clutteing my threads unless you have something to positively contribute to my questions. Thank you.
 
Otasan56: I appreciate your input and I'm glad that the Glock works for you. Apologies if I came across as abrasive.

Dryft: Thanks! Enjoy the Augusta show, let me know what you find. Good luck turning up a Canik.
 
Centurian22 said:
Stop trolling and in the future please refrain from clutteing my threads unless you have something to positively contribute to my questions. Thank you.
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Not about the questions per say but I'd get your FTE checked out because that shouldn't be happening.
 
Centurian22 said:
2) Having almost no personal experience with 1911's I appreciate this info but could you cite a source (even if its personal exp) for this. I was under the understanding that 1911's have been one of the most reliable handguns in existence, hence their popularity.
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The 1911, as originally designed, was meant to be a "loose" service weapon capable of getting dirty, taking a beating, and keep on working. It had reasonable accuracy for a military service gun, and with a very little tuning, could be a fairly to very accurate shooter.

The problem (as I understand it, mostly from reading here on THR) with some makes and models of the various 1911s on the market are tolerances being too tight in an attempt to obtain near "custom-level" of accuracy on a standard production gun.

And WRT your comment on the price of the P99 a few pages back, I just picked up yet another P99 AS, NIB, for $530 all in. With the fairly heavy trigger pull of the DA mode (non-cocked striker), it should satify the missus' safety concerns. The ergonomics are superior to most guns, and you don't have to worry about whether you have the proper "Glock Grip" on your Walther.

If you've been doing on-line research for any Walther P99, I don't doubt that the price seems a touch high. Every Walther I've bought has been from the LGS, and hasn't run much more that $560 for my PPQ a few months back.
 
Centurian22 said:
I do not object to training of any form, however I would rather purchase something that naturally 'feels right' and comfortable to my wife and I as opposed to having to learn to like it.
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My son came to my back yard range last weekend to shoot his G26, acquired after selling his XD45c (don't ask me why). He was all over the target with his first magazine. Before he reloaded, I handed him my SR9c and he shot a nice tight group, commenting "That sure feels a lot better." He added, "I'm sure I'll get better with the Glock when I get used to it."

Not bashing Glocks, but if they don't feel and shoot naturally from the start, why not start with something that does?

Glocks ARE great guns...for those who like he ergos. For the rest... buy something else
 
When one mentions a 9mm pistol that will be used at the range but may well become a carry piece in the future, I think of the Springfield EMP.
 
Mustard & Centurian - Just so you guys know, the Augusta show was a loss. No ammunition, and limited handgun inventory with less than impressive pricing.

Certainly no Caniks!
 
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Sorry to hear it was a bust. Glad I wasn't home to waste money on the gas to be let down. Lets all hope for a return to normalcy soon.
 
Dryft said:
Mustard & Centurian - Just so you guys know, the Augusta show was a loss. No ammunition, and limited handgun inventory with less than impressive pricing.

Certainly no Caniks!
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Bummer dude. I'm sorry to hear that.

Find a model, review the crap out of it, find videos, look at weight, parts availability (CZ mags are impossible to find now) and maybe just order one that suits you. I'm not a fan of impulse buying, but that's what I did. I got to shoot the P07 and K100, wasn't a huge fan, and ordered the Stingray shortly thereafter. It's been great.

What you experienced at that show is seemingly the norm.
 
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