Ssssh! Has Black Powder dodged a bullet?

In Massachusetts I can purchase a Black Powder gun as easily as buying a fishing pole. It’s the ammunition that requires a permit to possess. Getting caught with ammo of any kind without a permit can ruin your day.

man, kinda sounds like your laws up there are tighter than a gnat's a**. Here in Kansas, we can still open-carry any weapon, as long as the safety is on and it's holstered on your hip or in clear view of surrounding people. Concealed-carry classes still need taken for you to wear one inside your shirt/jacket.

i decided to view this thread because i have a black powder 1851 Confederate Navy revolver that was bought from Cabelas that i carry on me when i go to town. its not a very good self defense gun. but like you said, the .44cal barrel pointed at you will surely get your attention..

I understand NY recently passed a law that any firearm with a bayonet lug needs to be registered. Including 150 year old Zouave muskets, and others

I doubt it, the anti gun crowd want them ALL and that includes muzzleloaders. We must all know that if one kind of firearm is BAD in their eyes so are they all. These people will not rest untill ALL guns in private hands are taken away. We must all stick togeather on this or we will fall one at a time.

In my opinion the Government would wish and hope and prey for people to buy MORE black powder guns.

In my opinion the Government would wish and hope and prey for people to buy MORE black powder guns.

What makes you think that?

treblig said:

In my opinion the Government would wish and hope and prey for people to buy MORE black powder guns.

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I don't know if it was intended as a pun or if it was a typo but "prey" on us is exactly what the %$#@! government will do if they get our firearms.

Some of them have poked at this before at the state level. But they know any attempt to do so now would open them up to ridicule.

An attack on smoke poles is likely to be on the basis that felons can buy them without a background check. etc etc. But that powder is kept dry until they can advance the current agenda. If they only knew the awesome power of the dark side!

They are weapons of (Revolutionary/Civil) war. They must be eliminated. It's for the children.

Give them time. They'll go after whatever they think might work, or might lay the groundwork for later. Right now going after muzzleloaders would make them look silly, and it would undercut their attempts to make the 2nd amendment all about hunting. If they succeed in banning item X then next year it will be item Y or Z as convenient. If somebody with a scoped rifle shoots a bunch of people, suddenly it's going to be, why do you need a "sniper rifle" and all scoped centerfire rifles will be banned (aka "deer rifles"). If somebody put a bunch of pipe bombs at, say, a high school graduation and blew up the graduating class then it will be why is it legal to buy black powder. Maybe they'll compromise California-style and you'll be allowed one pound at a time. Of course the paperwork to sell it will be even more intense so most states won't even have a dealer, and obviously we can't let people mail order it, that would be crazy...

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Loose lips!

The reason they haven't tried to go after them (for the most part, some states are run by corrupt hardasses) is that a BP gun is considered "politically correct. Think of it this way, they don't attack single shot rifles (unless they are .50 caliber centerfire) and non-tactical shotguns. I am fixing to buy an H&R Topper, I doubt they'd even think a shotgun could kill somebody. After all, it only holds one shot and is slow to reload being a single shot? Yeah right, I've taken second shots in Wobble trap with a single shot. They aren't slow.

The general attitude by our enemies is they think that BP guns are a horribly inefficient weapon only suited for hunting and stuff like that because they don't take metallic cartridges.

Just my thoughts on this. I'd hate to see them cracking down on BP, but if they do I can still make my own powder, cap and ball.

SleazyRider said:

I've yet to hear the argument that since black powder firearms prevailed at the time the Bill of Rights was drafted, that the keeping and bearing of arms applies only to muzzleloaders. But in effect, in New York anyway, for all intents and purposes this could become a reality if we continue at our present pace.

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This will be the "great compromise". We keep the muzzle loaders as was intended in the 2A and they get everything else...:banghead:

WOOOOAHH... back up the truck! He is NOT one of us and I guarantee you he NEVER will be. Trust me, I know a trap shooter when I see one and Husein is NOT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. This is all very sudden that he pulled this "I shoot skeet all the time" lie out of his hat just to make gun owners feel safer. If he really were a trap shooter he'd be putting his half smoked joints in a homebrew waterproof container made from an empty 20 gauge and 16 gauge hull.

As far as a war on BP guns? I can't see it, there just isn't enough shooting with them and they don't look scary or modern enough for a gun grabber to want to ban them. Sure, a single shot Topper in 12 gauge looks like a hunting shotgun. But I can shoot a single VERY fast, especially if it's got an ejector. I would trust my trusty Remington NMA over a 9mm any day of the week. And if it came down to it I'd feed just fine defending my life with a Remington. It is by no means inferior in the right hands.

An attack on smoke poles is likely to be on the basis that felons can buy them without a background check. etc etc. But that powder is kept dry until they can advance the current agenda. If they only knew the awesome power of the dark side!

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This, one bite out of the apple at a time.

Texas is going the other direction, introducing a state law (it's probably more symbolic than not) that would prevent state authorities from enforcing any draconian, unconstitutional federal firearms laws passed in the future. They're talking about ONE that would allow for open carry, which we don't have, but you'd have to have a CHL to do it, which I have. If open carry were to get popular, I could see occasionally open carrying my 5.5" Remmy just for the fun of it. It IS as effective as any .38 special +P from a single action, IMHO, probably a bit closer to a hot .44 special, but I only load 30 grains under a round ball in it for accuracy. I mainly want open carry rules so that I can carry my .357 magnum DA or my .45ACP on the belt OWB under a T and not worry about "flashing". I don't like IWB at all and usually carry a pocket 9x19 or ultralite .38 special. But, sure would be cool to go to town with the Remmy once in a while.

I think in states where it's possible, open carry SHOULD be practiced by all that can just as a political statement. I realize in many states with open carry, carrying so might cause panic of the populace. I'd love to see a few folks strolling down sidewalks with cap and ball Remmies or Colts even if only with cartridge conversion cylinders. Decorative, I suppose, but not ineffective and, well, decorative is more important in this little towns around here. LOL

I've long seen the irony of being able to order a conversion cylinder or 4 for a Remmy and the Remmy and not having to go through an FFL. But, I hope it stays that way. It will until some nut shoots up a school with a '58 I guess.

See, thing is, BP is off the radar because it's enthusiasts that play with BP. When BP suddenly becomes a viable option for the crooks, that gives the media and the politicians the fodder to go further. But, there is no shortage of autos and cartridge revolvers out there and the crooks will find them long after they are "outlawed". It's just one more law to break.

Oh, I got a stainless ROA stolen once. I THINK I know who did it, but couldn't get the cops to do anything about him. The guy was an idiot, though, dead now, snorting gasoline. The flames of hell no doubt caught that gas. Anyway, I used to wonder what that guy thought trying to load the gun. I mean, I doubt he has a clue, an IQ of about 50. Wonder if he ever went and bought some .44 mag (or stole) and sat around trying to figure out how it loaded?

BP guns are too complicated for your average criminal to use. Short of branishing, most bad guys aren't going to go to the trouble of learning what components makes a hog leg fire.

It would take a felon skirting the law shooting up a place with 3 or 4 pistols to get enough wind in that sail. Yes, there is a push against our rights at the present, but most grabbers k ow that they are going to need reach far and take what bits of sand stick to their fingers.

I do not want to give up my beloved poodle shooter or my high cap semiautomatics, however I am quite glad that my antiquated and "out dated" Holy Black revolver isn't raising any eyebrows just yet. Hell, I just stuffed all my firearms in storage while I get my house ready to put on the market...all but my daily carry 1911, my beloved Ithaca 37, and my 5.5"'58.

Everything else can collect dust for a bit, and if you twisted my arm, i could get along just fine with just my BP revolver if the shotgun and 1911 had to take a nap as well

Hell, I just stuffed all my firearms in storage while I get my house ready to put on the market...all but my daily carry 1911, my beloved Ithaca 37, and my 5.5"'58.

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Good luck. I just went through this as we sold the house in Corpus to free up that mortgage to get THIS house and land. This place was a HUD foreclosure we got for CHEAP, but it took 4 months to close, right during hunting season, and we were staying in our 18 ft travel trailer with two cats. Good luck. Glad all THAT is over for me. Hope you ain't trying to close on a HUD foreclosure. I GUESS it was worth it, but GOD what a nightmare! I do love our new place, though, with shooting range right out the back door.

Smokin'Joe said:

In Massachusetts I can purchase a Black Powder gun as easily as buying a fishing pole. It’s the ammunition that requires a permit to possess. Getting caught with ammo of any kind without a permit can ruin your day.

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Wait...what is defined as "ammunition" for a black powder gun?

The black powder itself?
Minie balls?

To anyone who thinks "I'm safe I only own black powder guns and I can buy them anytime over the counter". For years now, the state of New Jersey has ruled that all black powder guns, including muzzloading shotguns, rifles, pistols, BB guns and SLINGSHOTS, I repeat SLINGSHOTS are indeed firearms in the eyes of NJ law and subject to the same laws as any other gun. A firearms ID Card is required to purchase any rifle or shotgun, this can take over a year to obtain. Once you have obtained that card from the cheif of police only then can you apply for a seperate pistol permit to purchase a handgun, this is good for only one gun, a seperate permit is required for every handgun you want to buy. Carrying any of these on your person or in your car or truck even if unloaded, without the proper paperwork and going to or from an approved range can land you in jail, facing financial ruin and prison time.
Many of the guns on the contraband list of the antigunners are already banned in the Garden State. I remember when the law went into effect, you had four choises:
1. Turn then it. with NO compensation. No grandfathering in.
2. Have them altered by the state to render then unfireable (Welded to crap) at your own cost.
3. Remove them from the State (What most did).
4. Apply for a class 3 permit for eack now banned gun. NJ has never approved any class 3 permits to anyone but police and very few of them.

Some of the guns banned were:
M1 Carbine, AR-15 and clones, M1A's, any handgun designed for a magazine of over 10 rounds. and many more including shotguns.

Here is how they work it. As far as I know they never sent the NJ State Police after anyone's guns, BUT If they do catch you in possession of said contraband for any reason (house fire or any reason they might enter your home) you are done for.
Make no mistake, they want them all and it is not about safety, it's about subjecting us to their will. I don't know where this is going to end but were in for a rough time of it.
I remember when this new law passed I had friends that worked
in several gunshops and they told me the State Police came in with a portable copy machine and made copys of the yellow purchaser forums

(I fogot # of this form) of all the now banned firearms that were legally purchase in the past. Totally against the law but it did not matter, they did i anyway