The Gun Trafficking Prevention Act Of 2015

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This proposed legislation would increase the penalty for knowingly purchasing a gun for a prohibited person. IMO: It stands a good chance of becoming law.

“We believe there should be stronger penalties for those ‘straw purchasers’ who knowingly buy guns for convicted felons and others who are prohibited from buying guns on their own,” Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) told The Hill.

The gun trafficking bill is being pushed by Democrats and has the backing of several Republicans, though it faces an uphill battle in Congress. The lawmakers hope to discourage people from making straw purchases for criminals by increasing the penalty to a maximum of 20 years in prison.
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http://thehill.com/regulation/legislation/253051-lawmakers-take-aim-at-gun-traffickers
 
And quite frankly it probably should be. I am all for restoration of rights, but when a person is forbidden it is so for a reason. I know I probably am taking a stand on uncommon ground here, but a prohibited person has some dark mojo in their history. Until a person's rights are restored then people shouldn't be buying them things that they are prohibited from posessing...aka aiding them in commission of another crime.
 
Would it make any difference? How many felons in possession are prosecuted by the federal government, which has been on the books for years (I'm assuming this proposed law is federal)? How many people denied by background checks are prosecuted for lying on the 4473?

No point in passing more laws if they generally won't be enforced.

To me, your firearm rights should be restored once you leave prison.
 
WestKentucky said:
And quite frankly it probably should be. I am all for restoration of rights, but when a person is forbidden it is so for a reason. I know I probably am taking a stand on uncommon ground here, but a prohibited person has some dark mojo in their history. Until a person's rights are restored then people shouldn't be buying them things that they are prohibited from posessing...aka aiding them in commission of another crime.
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The problem is this will only be enforced when harassing law abiding citizens, and they will continue to plea deal the actual criminals for easy convictions.
And saying a prohibited person has some 'dark mojo in their history' is a huge assumption. You can be a prohibited person for very minor things like downloading music. While I wouldn't break the law, I see no reason why a person caught downloading music at 18 should not be allowed to protect his family at 28.

suemarkp - I agree, if they are dangerous they shouldn't be out of prison, if they can be trusted to rejoin society, rights restored.
 
Until a person's rights are restored then people shouldn't be buying them things that they are prohibited from posessing...aka aiding them in commission of another crime.
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Last time I checked, it was already illegal, and the penalties were already pretty serious. I don't support any new law for the same offense without justifying the the existing law is insufficient and that there has been some new trend that the existing law does not address. Is there really an increase in people filling out forms and showing their ID in order to commit a serious crime on behalf of another criminal that this "new and improved" law would address?


Useless and redundant laws are for politicians to make you believe they are doing something to solve a problem they don't really want to address, and its usually at the expense of people who are not causing the problem.
 
Useless and redundant laws are for politicians to make you believe they are doing something to solve a problem they don't really want to address, and its usually at the expense of people who are not causing the problem.
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A-freakin'-men. Enforce the existing laws; don't burden the American people with yet another law that politicians and their appointed bureaucrats are too lazy and/or gutless to enforce
 
The link is from May. I haven't found anything that shows the text of today's bill.
 
Our laws are becoming more numerous and more ridiculously verbose. With that combination, they have also become more selectively enforced. The very opposite of the purpose of having laws.

The U.S. Tax code, for example, has more words than the combined texts of all three Abrahamic religions.

Want to pass a new law? Show me the ten others you plan to strike.
 
It stands a good chance of becoming law.
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Not a chance of getting out of committee since there's no provision for background checks to be performed between individuals.
 
I would support stronger penalties for this except for...

"knowingly"

Tough thing to generally prove.


"Why Todd, we KNOW you KNEW and now you know we knew that you knew..."


"uh, no. no I didn't..."


"Doesn't matter, here's your plea option, wanna sign now?"

Without giving evidence against one's self or being recorded - it's a he-said-she-said $5,000 legal fight.

Todd.
 
Originally Posted by WestKentucky View Post
And quite frankly it probably should be. I am all for restoration of rights, but when a person is forbidden it is so for a reason.
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Tell that to the thousands of veterans who are prohibited by some VA clerk because they have trouble balancing a checkbook or the seniors on social security that the SSA is trying to prohibit for similar reasons. So, I ask you, who’s next? You? Me? For what imaginary reason? How about the guy who gets prohibited solely because of an over reaching divorce attorney? Straw buyers for violent criminals deserve to be prosecuted, but there are a lot prohibited persons who do not belong on that list.

Wake up, you may be next!
 
Seeing the title, I assumed this was a bill abolishing the BATFE. I guess that was just wishful thinking.
 
Local gun club members who have had denials through BG checks.

One had been a clerk at a hotel that was robbed in the 1960s: at the time the state bureau listed all employees as "suspect" until cleared by investigation and he was investigated and cleared. They kept a suspicion report even though the investigator decided there were no grounds to consider him a suspect. He had to get and keep a statement from the investigator.

Another had been detained at a routine traffic stop after his name came back as a wanted federal fugitive: by the next day, the feds had come back, same name, different person, and he was released. He still had an arrest on his record and he had to keep copies of the court record showing it was over mistaken ID because his arrest showed up on BG checks. (I think you can get get a felony conviction legally expunged, but a mistaken ID arrest dogged him the rest of his life.)

I suspect that prosecutions are rare under the NICS system because the records are full of false positive matches.

The NICS system is also flawed because it has false negatives: "clean" returns for bad guys who have no paper trail.
 
Ryanxia said:
I agree, if they are dangerous they shouldn't be out of prison, if they can be trusted to rejoin society, rights restored.
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Problem is, bad people are released early because of over-crowding, not because they have been rehabilitated. While I believe that felons should have a chance to have their rights restored, I feel they need to prove to society they truly are rehabilitated. If their felonious crime was committed with the use of a firearm, then they should be prohibited for the rest of their life. Far too many criminals go right back to what they were doing to get thrown in jail as soon as they are released.
 
buck460XVR said:
Problem is, bad people are released early because of over-crowding, not because they have been rehabilitated. While I believe that felons should have a chance to have their rights restored, I feel they need to prove to society they truly are rehabilitated. If their felonious crime was committed with the use of a firearm, then they should be prohibited for the rest of their life. Far too many criminals go right back to what they were doing to get thrown in jail as soon as they are released.
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"Bad" people are released from prison because they've served their time, as well. Serving a specified term -- even if it's the full time decreed by a judge -- is hardly any gaurantee of rehabilitation.
In fact, a lot of prisoners seem to be released with new-found skills in crime .... thanks to being "ejumakated" on the inside.:uhoh:
 
suemarkp said:
To me, your firearm rights should be restored once you leave prison.
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About 68% of the ex-convicts return to prison within 3 years, 77% return within 5 years...

No, your full rights as a citizen should be returned after you have shown that you are no longer going to exhibit criminal behavior.

I am all for rehabilitating criminals, but they have to put forth an effort too.
 
lysanderxiii said:
About 68% of the ex-convicts return to prison within 3 years, 77% return within 5 years...



No, your full rights as a citizen should be returned after you have shown that you are no longer going to exhibit criminal behavior.



I am all for rehabilitating criminals, but they have to put forth an effort too.
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jerkface11 said:
No that's when you should be released.
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So Much Truth in both of these: how do you do right by one and at the same time ensure those big percentages are not able to do what they are going to do?
 
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