Why Would A Florida Pistol Range Ask For My CCW?

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Unexpected experience, recently found a new indoor range nearby, went to check it out. While filling out the paperwork/waivers - I was asked for my drivers license. I pulled this out and my CCW came out with it. The guy entering my data into their computer quickly picked both license & CCW up from the counter before I realized what I'd done. When he returned them I asked him why he needed my CCW? He just smiled and made some joke about working for DHS and needing it for the global database. As there was a line trying to get onto the range - I moved on.

Now I'm aggravated I did. He had no reason to ask for it - and I've never previously experienced it, nor had it copied, anywhere in Florida?

As a good conspiracy theorist, but also as a conscientious & responsible gun owner - it's my understanding that this is NOT something ANYONE in my state is allowed to ask for unless I have defended myself with my concealed pistol...just wondering if any of you have had a similar experience?

It's bothered me so much - I actually want to go back and demand the copy be destroyed and/or any electronic image be deleted from their database...in my presence?

What say you?
 
I wouldn't worry about it.

What's the worst thing that could happen?

They are going to record that you had a practice session?

It's not like the range is going to let the government in on some secret- they know you are a shooter already. They gave you a license for that, remember?

I show mine every time I buy a gun. No biggie. It's not a big deal in my opinion.
 
So you inadvertently dropped your CCW on the counter without being prompted and now you're mad???

Build a bridge and get over it.


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it's my understanding that this is NOT something ANYONE in my state is allowed to ask for
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Your understanding is incorrect. There are no laws prohibiting anyone from asking if you have one except in certain cases regarding employment. If I were to run into you on the street and we got to talking, I could even ask you if you had one.

That being said, I can't speculate on why he documented your CWFL, or if it would have even been required (whether he would have even asked for it had it not been otherwise revealed.)
 
First, the fact that he had access to your CCW was YOUR fault. He didn't ask for it. Second, you don't know if he noted anything about your license at all. If you have issues you should discuss it with the range owner. And let him know that the counter person did not ask for the credential.
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I'd call and discuss with management. The last thing a gun range wants to do is give the perception of over-"regulating". We tend to be more cautious about such things. Who knows.....maybe it allowed you to skip the training video or given you a reduced rate. I'd still call and ask though.
 
Thanks!

Thanks! Maybe I am overreacting. I appreciate the feedback from all of you, especially @guyfromohio - I will call and discuss it with the range owner. Since I'm new to the range, I figure I have one "play dumb" moment. I'll explain it to him and ask him what it's all about, and I'll be happy for the education.

I'm already in too many databases as it is - it's just one more piece of privacy I really never intended to surrender. Like giving my Social Security Number to...anyone...stating they needed it for identification, after explicitly reading that it is NOT to be asked for that purpose.

...and maybe my paranoia has something to do with stuff like this:

Fresno Police Department Pre-Crime Software

Anyway, thanks again.
 
Why would they need to record all the info that is on your license? I would think just showing and verifying who you are would have been sufficient.

Everyone is DATA collecting.
 
Not sure why they would need it. They might want it just so they can send you advertising for classes and other things that might be of interest to a CCW holder. Not saying that is the reason, but it could be.
 
In the words of Jeh Johnson Director of Homeboy Security - "I think everyone needs to accept the fact that gun control is now the responsibility of DHS." Right after the Orlando shooting he spouted that line on every media talk show he could get booked on. Reminds me of Al Haig jumping in front of all the media cameras when Reagan was shot and saying "I am now in complete control". Scary stuff even if you don't own a tin foil hat. You can't make this stuff up. George Carlin said when you are born into this world you get a ticket to the freak show. If you are born in America - you get a front row seat".
 
it's my understanding that this is NOT something ANYONE in my state is allowed to ask for
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Your understanding is incorrect. There are no laws prohibiting anyone from asking if you have one except in certain cases regarding employment. If I were to run into you on the street and we got to talking, I could even ask you if you had one.
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I think maybe we're confusing "is allowed to ask" with "has authority to demand". We tend to speak of things in the first instance because we appreciate politeness, but we should never forget that the second instance is what really matters.
 
The White Tiger said:
...I was asked for my drivers license. I pulled this out and my CCW came out with it. The guy entering my data into their computer quickly picked both license & CCW up from the counter ...

...He had no reason to ask for it - and I've never previously experienced it, nor had it copied, anywhere in Florida?...
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He didn't ask for your CCW. You gave it to him.

Maybe you didn't intend to give it to him, but you did. And maybe he didn't need it or want, and maybe it didn't even register that you gave him your CCW in addition to your driver's license.

You apparently were on "auto-pilot" and so was the counter guy. It sure doesn't seem to be a big deal to me.
 
It's proof that you aren't a convicted criminal---he might be copying it as proof that he isn't letting "dangerous individuals" use his facility.

I wouldn't worry about it unless it contains some sort of sensitive info that isn't already on your DL.

Here in KY the law is that anyone can demand to see a list of all the CCW holders if they want.
 
Drail said:
... Reminds me of Al Haig jumping in front of all the media cameras when Reagan was shot and saying "I am now in complete control". Scary stuff even if you don't own a tin foil hat. ...
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:scrutiny: Drail, you may have your tin foil hat tied on a bit too tight.

If anyone is interested in what Al Haig really did & said, here is a short clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUKW0fL-OqY

Much ado ...
 
MADDOG said:
Why would they need to record all the info that is on your license? I would think just showing and verifying who you are would have been sufficient.

Everyone is DATA collecting.
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My point was - I don't understand why they would need it? No one, anywhere in the state, has even asked if I have one, let alone made a copy of it? Especially considering the fact that I asked what he had done with it - and never really got an answer.

As I tried to indicate - and factoring in that I'm an admitted conspiracy theorist - just because you don't think something is going on, doesn't mean something's NOT going on.

As MADDOG & TRX (and Drail, I think) note, there's a LOT of data collection going on. You can chalk it up to being ok if you "have nothing to hide" ...but you don't have anyway of knowing how a seemingly innocuous piece of information can lead law enforcement to make a conclusion that you should be on some "watch" list...and sometime in the not too distant future you suddenly find you can't buy a gun because you've been deemed "dangerous" (folks in New York awoke to the reality that due process was about to be overridden after Sandy Hook - state legislators tried to ban any name currently on a terror "watch list" from being able to buy a handgun in NY).

NY Lawmakers Seek To "Fix" Terror Gap With Addendum to SAFE Act

Not sure you can BE too careful - and yes - I understand I'm the one that screwed up when my CCP stuck to my drivers license...but courtesy would've been to ask me if I meant to yield a piece of information that was not required...to me, it's no different than making a copy of the front and back of my credit card (including the CVV Number)...you know, for reference for any potential future purchases.

The point is, just because you pick up my wallet, it doesn't mean you can make a copy of all the contents in it before you return it to me & it definitely doesn't mean you get to store my information for later cross referencing....

Think about it, it'll come for ya'...

Like I said, thanks for the feedback....down here where I am...we still have a problem trusting carpetbaggers (and if you're not family, you may just be a carpet bagger).
 
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The White Tiger said:
My point was - I don't understand why they would need it? No one, anywhere in the state, has even asked if I have one, let alone made a copy of it?....
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Again, according to your initial story he didn't ask for your CCW. You gave it to him. And nowhere did you say anything about him making a copy of it.

Speaking of conspiracy theories, I don't think we can rely on the accuracy of your story, so you're just wasting everyone's time.

Now you seem to be embellishing your story.
 
MADDOG said:
Why would they need to record all the info that is on your license? I would think just showing and verifying who you are would have been sufficient.

Everyone is DATA collecting.
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I'll bet most places that need your drivers license are just using it to get your address. It's a lot easier to read the address off a license than ask someone to give your their address verbally.

It can be very helpful for a range to have your address on file. For example, when a customer has a negligent discharge that almost hits his buddy and ends up causing a few hundred dollars of damage to our facility, then high-tails it out of there before any employees can stop him, it's a lot easier to make sure he pays for the damage if we have his address as well as his phone number...
 
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Sounds trivial... for now.

It makes sense at some level. A permit is a pretty good indication that you are not a criminal practicing up for your next job, or a depression case renting a gun to shoot yourself. Not foolproof, but a range near here has had bad publicity from both instances and if they are not requiring lane renters to show a CCW, I would not be surprised to see them add it.
 
Frank Ettin said:
Again, according to your initial story he didn't ask for your CCW. You gave it to him. And nowhere did you say anything about him making a copy of it.

Speaking of conspiracy theories, I don't think we can rely on the accuracy of your story, so you're just wasting everyone's time.

Now you seem to be embellishing your story.
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You may need to offer an example of how I'm embellishing? I'll be glad to address it if need be, you just didn't offer an example for this skepticism.
 
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