Real Walker???

Armi San Marco Walker. The refrigerator rust browning wasn't done all that great.

This bozo should know better. A Walker in that condition would be six or seven figures and all real Walkers have provenance, a history.

He took a $400 gun and made it worth half that by beating the crud out of it.

The font is wrong on the serial numbers, as is the asking price.

That's a nice copy minus the plum brown. But it's obviously a fake, you have to be an idiot to ask 2,000 for a gun that'd bring 200,000 if authenticated.

The FBI has a section that among other things investigates antique firearms fraud. The seller may find that this piece may result in the most expensive $2,000 he ever made - if indeed someone buys it.

SN 9843 out of 1100 made. Right.

I remember a display in a store in the early years of repro C&B. In my youthful expertise, I commented "Nice looking pair of Walker repros."
The owner replied, "Well, one of them is."

Maybe he really doesn't know... But why would you gamble on selling a gun for a few bucks, when it could be worth so much more?

Although as for fraud... he is not deliberately marketing it as real so he is covering his bases there.

and all real Walkers have provenance, a history.

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I have heard this and I believe this. The NRA museum says that there are less than 100 original Walker Colts in existence. http://www.nramuseum.org/guns/the-g...ms-innovations/fake-colt-walker-revolver.aspx

There are more authenticated Vincent Van Gogh paintings than authenticated Walker Colts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Vincent_van_Gogh That ought to be a clue that 99.99% of the Walker Colts claiming to be original, are in fact, aged Italian replicas.

Cylinder pressure groove is missing.

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I don't think he'll get in much trouble with this description.

I don't know what to make of this gun. It is either a real good fake or the SN fits for the 1st Dragoons that were made out of leftover parts from the walkers. Look at the pics and you decide.

Seems to me he covered all the bases for fraud. However, if you are sitting on a potential gold mine why wouldn't you bring in someone to verify it and state same in a letter?

I don't think he'll get in much trouble with this description.

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It would depend on how many of these various ultra-rare Colts he comes up with, and if forensic testing of the materials and finishes confirmed they were fakes. If a U.S. Deputy Attorney could convince a jury that he had made the fakes, and therefore knew they were exactly that, he (the seller) might be in real trouble.

For example, if a set of number stamps in his possession exactly match some stamped numbers on the gun.

The trouble is that unless some big shot collector (and Dem party contributor) gets taken and runs whining to 1600 PA, the Feds aren't going to bother. The administration doesn't want us unwashed rabble to have any guns, even fake antiques, so nobody is going to prosecute for something like that.

Jim

SN fits for the 1st Dragoons that were made out of leftover parts from the walkers

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No it doesn't. According to Flayderman, they made about 240 Whitneyville Hartford Dragoons, 1101 to about 1340. First Dragoon, about 7000 made, about 1341-8000 or so.
There were the Walker Replacement Dragoons, 300 made, approx. 2216-2515. He doesn't say if that is a block out of the First Dragoon range.
SN 9800 would be a Second Dragoon.

The key feature is that all these second generation guns pictured in Flayderman have front loading lever latches instead of the unreliable Walker hook.

So you're saying that someone took a Second Generation Colt and antiqued it to make it look like an original. Why??????? I saw several, not just one but several, Second Generation Colt Walkers sell on Gunbroker recently for well over a grand.

So he ruins a Second Generation Colt trying to get a better price by making it look like an original whereas if he kept it pristine he could have gotten about the same amount of money for it.

Smart, really smart.

Crawdad1

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It just may be that the current seller had nothing to do with the fake processing. Could be he's just passing this one along, hoping to make a little more money than he paid for it, and selling it to the next dimwitted collector looking for a "real" bargain. The seller does a good job of disclaiming, stating right up front: "Colt Walker Real? Or Copy?". I can almost picture him sitting in front of his computer, shrugging his shoulders as he writes the description:

I don't know what to make of this gun. It is either a real good fake or the SN fits for the 1st Dragoons that were made out of leftover parts from the walkers. Look at the pics and you decide. Or it could be a period copy of some sort?

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So he doesn't know what he's got but for $2000 you can buy it and then tell him what it really is. What a hoot!

I wonder if he'll accept a personal check that I'm writing as we speak!!!!

I should have said "someone' as opposed to "he" as the seller could be blameless but someone did it and for what reason I couldn't venture to guess.

Second and Third Generation Colt Walkers sell at a premium IF they are pristine. Someone just lost some money but it ain't goin to be me.

Crawdad1

I'm sure someone figured they were getting pretty good with this "faking stuff" and decided to go for the big money with a genuine, honest to goodness phoney Colt Walker. Why not swing for the fences; don't want to be in the minor leagues your whole career. Only trouble is the Internet is a bit of a double edged sword. On one hand you've got these marvelous gun auction websites to sell you various items but on the other hand there's a lot of informed folks out there who can easily unravel the "mystery" behind a not so real deal Colt Walker.

Has anyone contacted this man yet? Asked him?

He says the serial number fits for the dragoons made from walker parts. But isn't that wrong as there were 1100 walkers made not 9000+? So by that time they were well into the 2nd model dragoons not the Whitneyville-Hartford Dragoons. If any of you have seen my dragoon the serial numbers are the same size font and same area, which leads me to believe this was made by Uberti or Armi San Marco. Not even mention that there's no way a gun in that condition would have such deep readable serials. The original serials on Walkers is very fine, here's a pic of the famous one in excellent condition that sold for 1mil.



Somebody should message him with a link to this thread, the owner needs to think about what he's going to do with that gun so nobody in the future gets scammed by it. I would recommend getting 'REPLICA' stamped or engraved under the loading lever.

I'm not saying that Bannockburn, if you would just please read my post. What I'm saying is why destroy a Second or Third Generation Colt Walker trying to make it look like an original with a serial number way out of range and then ask for the amount of money a pristine Second or Third generation Walker Colt would bring in anyway.

Colt Barrel Markings

I see no hint of a Colt address on the top barrel flat and on the picture of the numbers on the loading lever I can see that someone filed the lever retaining spring flat like I did mine to stop lever drop.

Crawdad1, it would indeed be foolish to use a Colt 2nd Gen or Sig Series as the base gun for a fake like this. But the gun in question is definitely not a 2nd Gen or even a Sig Series. It appears to be an early Armi San Marco based on the long trigger and the forward slanted barrel lug where the plunger goes through. There is another fake with those same features just posted on the Colt Forum today: http://www.coltforum.com/forums/colt-percussion-revolvers/135217-colt-walker.html

Here is a "Replica Arms" Walker with very similar geometry:
http://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...olver-98-plus-orig-cond-.cfm?gun_id=100710085