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Okay, so I teach a NRA Metallic Cartridge Reloading Course, and I want to put up a flyer at the hospital that I work at advertising it. HR (which is responsible for the employee bulletin board) doesn't like it and has asked me to "tone it down". Sure doesn't look outlandish to me, but perhaps someone can see something I don't see and can offer some advice. What say ye?

Don

CHEMUNG COUNTY ROD AND GUN CLUB SPONSORED

NRA METALLIC CARTRIDGE RELOADING COURSE Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:00am – 5:30pm and

Saturday, March 4, 2017 9:00am – 5:30pm

at Chemung County Rod and Gun Club, 1129 Lattabrook Rd, Breesport, NY 14816

In this course you'll discover the wonderful world of making your own ammunition SAFELY, and enjoy the benefits of both cheaper and more accurate ammunition. This class teaches Reloading Safety, Cartridge Components, Equipment selection, how to use a Reloading Manual and the metallic cartridge reloading process. This is a hands-on course, and you will get the experience of setting up reloading equipment and loading actual Metallic Cartridge rounds. ***PLEASE NOTE THIS CLASS ONLY COVERS PISTOL AND RIFLE AMMO, NOT SHOTGUN SHELLS***. This course is 8 hours in length and is conducted at both a work bench and in a classroom setting. You will be using state of the art reloading equipment such as: Redding Boss single stage press, RCBS Uniflow Powder Measure, RCBS 5-0-5 Scale and L.E. Wilson trimmer. Students will receive the NRA Guide to Reloading handbook, Basic Firearm Training Program brochure, NRA Gun Safety Rules brochure, and a hard cover Lee Reloading Manual. At the conclusion of the course you will take an open book exam and be given a NRA Course Completion Certificate. Cost is $125 ($110 for Chemung County Rod and Gun Club members) and, due to the hands-on training that you will receive, class size is limited to 6 students. For further information or to enroll, email Don Kakretz at [email protected] or call (607)546-7700.
 
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exactly,
you are fighting an uphill battle there, anything to do with guns and shooting is taboo in a liberal rich hospital environment. They tend to have negative outlooks on firearms and shooting sports.
 
Possibly the "NRA" word is giving them the heebie-jeebies. While us gun folks know that the NRA are the quasi-official national authority on gun safety, competition, etc., many non-gun folks just think of them as a far-right lobbying organization.
 
Frankly, I'm amazed they'd let you post it at. Nonetheless, I took a whack at neutering it so that it's not quite so "scary"...:cool:

CHEMUNG COUNTY ROD AND GUN CLUB SPONSORED

NRA METALLIC CARTRIDGE RELOADING COURSE Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:00am – 5:30pm and

Saturday, March 4, 2017 9:00am – 5:30pm

at Chemung County Rod and Gun R&G Club, 1129 Lattabrook Rd, Breesport, NY 14816

In this course you'll discover the wonderful world of making preparing your own ammunition metallic cartridges SAFELY, and enjoy the benefits of both cheaper and more accurate ammunition of cost saving and enhanced accuracy. This class teaches Reloading Safety, Cartridge Components, Equipment selection, how to use a Reloading Manual and the metallic cartridge reloading process. This is a hands-on course, and you will get the experience of setting up reloading equipment and loading actual Metallic Cartridge rounds. ***PLEASE NOTE THIS CLASS ONLY COVERS PISTOL AND RIFLE AMMO, NOT SHOTGUN SHELLS*** DOES NOT COVER SHOTSHELL LOADING. This course is 8 hours in length and is conducted at both a work bench and in a classroom setting. You will be using state of the art reloading equipment such as: Redding Boss single stage press, RCBS Uniflow Powder Measure, RCBS 5-0-5 Scale and L.E. Wilson trimmer. Students will receive the NRA authoritative Guide to Reloading handbook, Basic Firearm Training Program brochure, NRA Gun Safety Rules brochure, and a hard cover Lee Reloading Manual. At the conclusion of the course you will take an open book exam and be given a NRA an offocial Course Completion Certificate. Cost is $125 ($110 for Chemung County Rod and Gun R&G Club members) and, due to the hands-on training that you will receive, class size is limited to 6 students. For further information or to enroll, email Don Kakretz at [email protected] or call (607)546-7700.
 
MrBorland said:
Frankly, I'm amazed they'd let you post it at. Nonetheless, I took a whack at neutering it so that it's not quite so "scary"...:cool:

CHEMUNG COUNTY ROD AND GUN CLUB SPONSORED

NRA METALLIC CARTRIDGE RELOADING COURSE Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:00am – 5:30pm and

Saturday, March 4, 2017 9:00am – 5:30pm

at Chemung County Rod and Gun R&G Club, 1129 Lattabrook Rd, Breesport, NY 14816

In this course you'll discover the wonderful world of making preparing your own ammunition metallic cartridges SAFELY, and enjoy the benefits of both cheaper and more accurate ammunition of cost saving and enhanced accuracy. This class teaches Reloading Safety, Cartridge Components, Equipment selection, how to use a Reloading Manual and the metallic cartridge reloading process. This is a hands-on course, and you will get the experience of setting up reloading equipment and loading actual Metallic Cartridge rounds. ***PLEASE NOTE THIS CLASS ONLY COVERS PISTOL AND RIFLE AMMO, NOT SHOTGUN SHELLS*** DOES NOT COVER SHOTSHELL LOADING. This course is 8 hours in length and is conducted at both a work bench and in a classroom setting. You will be using state of the art reloading equipment such as: Redding Boss single stage press, RCBS Uniflow Powder Measure, RCBS 5-0-5 Scale and L.E. Wilson trimmer. Students will receive the NRA authoritative Guide to Reloading handbook, Basic Firearm Training Program brochure, NRA Gun Safety Rules brochure, and a hard cover Lee Reloading Manual. At the conclusion of the course you will take an open book exam and be given a NRA an offocial Course Completion Certificate. Cost is $125 ($110 for Chemung County Rod and Gun R&G Club members) and, due to the hands-on training that you will receive, class size is limited to 6 students. For further information or to enroll, email Don Kakretz at [email protected] or call (607)546-7700.
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Don't let the Cultural Marxists win. Ask what published guidelines HR is citing to pass such a judgment. Who is the individual making this judgment? What does management think of the dispute?
 
Borland, looks neutered enough, but might change one thing,
Basic Training Program brochure, Weapon Safety Rules brochure,
Don't know how you did the strike thrus and Red, but thats awesome
 
MrBorland said:
Don appeases HR, gets his ad posted, people come to the class and take up reloading. That's a win in my book. :cool:
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But what's to tone down? What does that even mean? HR was being indirect. They don't want any posting at all, you watch.
 
MrBorland said:
Don appeases HR, gets his ad posted, people come to the class and take up reloading. That's a win in my book. :cool:
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It is a win in my book too.

Great edit by the way. I was thinking much along the same lines as I was reading the OP. Just taking out the trigger words without taking out any substance
 
MrBorland's post is a pretty good attempt IMHO, however knowing HR where I work my guess is that by "tone down" they really mean "take down". They probably just don't want something firearm related period posted at work - particularly in a hospital where it's open to the public and could be a polarizing issue for the many visitors that may see it.
 
I'd say it's worth an attempt to "tone it down" then is if there is recourse if they still say no. But at the end of the day they probably have last word here.
 
Sure, as I also initially eluded to, they might not want you to post at all, or were trying to tell you to take it down altogether. But, if so, they punted - so there's no reason to not take them at their word an put the ball back in their court. Either you force them to have a backbone and actually tell you "no", or you get your flier up.

Don - keep us updated, eh? I'm now curious how HR will respond & how your class goes. Good work. :thumbup:
 
Actually, they posted an earlier course offering, but they folded the paper so that the complete description of what the course entails was not visible, and only this was shown:

"CHEMUNG COUNTY ROD AND GUN CLUB SPONSORED

NRA METALLIC CARTRIDGE RELOADING COURSE Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:00am – 5:30pm and

Saturday, March 4, 2017 9:00am – 5:30pm

at Chemung County Rod and Gun Club, 1129 Lattabrook Rd, Breesport, NY 14816"

Don
 
Good luck Don, it's a hard to win situation with HR, and all you can do is play the game and hope to get something up so you can get some replies. Over time if HR realizes the world didn't come to an end from it they might loosen up a bit. But hey, it's where you work and you have to play by their rules. You can push the rules politely, ya just can't break them, and pissing them off would be the end of it.
 
Keeping in mind that it is probably a single person in HR causing this problem. We have spoken of HR as this monolithic presence, when it is most likely one person's feelings about guns or traces to a single person.
 
You have to remember that we are talking about a hospital here, staffed with healthcare staff who are not known to be favorable towards firearms in general. They follow guidelines that have been passed down by a largely Democrat administration over the past 8 years, and even regular doctors offices are asking patients if they have guns, and discourage people from doing so.
 
I think they are referring to word like "wonderful" and "enjoy". HR likely doesn't approve the suggestion that anything about guns could be wonderful or enjoyed. Replace wonderful with wide, and replace enjoy with learn.
 
Don,

I think MrBorland has started you on the right track, I would take it a few steps further.

How you ask?

Just as a general guideline, think about what you are selling. Your selling a course of instruction, not advertising for your local gun club or the NRA. You don't need all the references to those organizations. Anyone who might be interested in your course will naturally assume that it's local and that your qualified to teach it. If they have an interest they will not need all the information you have posted. Would you spend the 5 minutes necessary to read an ad posted on a bulletin board? I doubt that you would.

All you need is the absolute minimum information and a contact #. In advertising less is more. Go bare bones, get rid of the clutter.
 
What say ye?
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What say I? I say, you're missing the most obvious answer.

"Knock, knock, knock. Hi! I'm Don. I posted this flyer a few days back and your office asked me to 'tone it down.' Can you take a look at this and help me to make it acceptable?"

How are WE going to know what Mr. Smith in HR thought wasn't acceptable? Only he can tell you.

And that would reduce the number of "gol-durned gub'mint liberal Obama evil policy new world order HR manager anti-Christ..." type comments we have to entertain here in the Reloading forum.
 
Im retired now, but I once post a womans self defense class flyer. HR got their draws in bunch and asked I take down.
Replaced it with a wieght loss class loaded with the health benefits of not being overwieght and left one on each desk of those obese creatures.
Got an commendation from the Director of Medicine and the Hospital Administrator, my next self defense flyer stayed up unmolested.
 
I'd just go with the first 4 lines. If a person may be interested in reloading, they will know what a class will probably be about. If not they would contact the gun club for further info., or you could include "for further info call...". If they can't figure out that much, perhaps they aren't bright enough to reload...
 
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