Does anyone have a rifle chambered in 5.7 or 22 tcm?

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I'm curious about center fire rounds that would mimick a 22lr or 22 mag, in my hunt I found savage makes the model 25 chambered in 5.7. Does anyone have any experience with this rifle or experience reloading 5.7? It seems like it would be similar to the 22 mag, just reloadable. I also found RIA makes a 22 tcm flavored bolt action. Seems like that might be comparable.
 
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Well I found out Savage doesn't make that rifle any more (or didn't at all?). It sounds like TCM is my only option then... anyone out there have one of THOSE?
 
my shooting buddy has a ria tcm, rifle and pistol. likes the concept, likes both guns. however the rifle has a poorly cut chamber. fwiw. dc
 
I'm curious about center fire rounds that would mimick a 22lr or 22 mag, in my hunt I found savage makes the model 25 chambered in 5.7. Does anyone have any experience with this rifle or experience reloading 5.7? It seems like it would be similar to the 22 mag, just reloadable. I also found RIA makes a 22 tcm flavored bolt action. Seems like that might be comparable.

The 22 WMR is about 300 ft-lbs out of a 24" barrel, the 5.7 is about 420 ft-lbs out of a 16" barrel, so there's a fair bit of energy difference. I don't know if you only want a bolt action, but I'm sure you could get a TC Contender barrel chambered in any of these less common calibers.
 
The Tomcat is still an RIA-only cartridge, both guns and ammo. I favor the 22 Hornet for a reloadable approximation of the 22WRM (only better).

The 22 WMR is about 300 ft-lbs out of a 24" barrel, the 5.7 is about 420 ft-lbs out of a 16" barrel, so there's a fair bit of energy difference. I don't know if you only want a bolt action, but I'm sure you could get a TC Contender barrel chambered in any of these less common calibers.

The 22 hornet is also a round I have been researching but I don't know if I can justify it. Is it that much different than a 223?
I didn't think of a TC contender barrel... that might be a cool option.
 
I think an fn5.7 would be a lot like a hornet but with better case life and easier to find brass. Savage did make a model 25 varminter in 5.7. Look at match grade machine for a contender barrel.

A hornet is much less powerful than a 223 and uses about 1/2 as much powder. It would be quite a bit more powerful than a 22 mag.
 
I have been reloading the .22 TCM for the past 4 years. It is a fantastic round made by shortening a .223 Remington and sizing. It can turn 2,000 fps with a 40 grs bullet in a 1 3/4 inches of barrel. Sighted in the 1911 RI pistol 1"+ at 25 yards it is 1"- at 100 yards.
The rifle unfortunately was a terrible disappointment. It would not shoot after a year of trying every thing. I then took it to an accuracy shop in Morgan, Utah. The rifle just would not shoot consistently? I sold it to a fellow who was going to re-barrel it. :thumbdown:
 
You can load a .223 down to .22 LR, .22 Mag, .22 Hornet velocities.

I've wanted a .22 Hornet forever, but it's much easier and cheaper to just download a .223. I cast my own bullets so I have a decent selection of bullets to use.

Of course these downloaded rounds won't cycle an AR but I only shoot them in my bolt gun.
 
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I think an fn5.7 would be a lot like a hornet but with better case life and easier to find brass.

The 5.7x28 uses a 28 or 31 grain bullet and fires at around 2,400 fps.
The 22 Hornet will push a 40 grain bullet over 2,700 fps

So, the Hornet is pushing 33% more mass 12% faster. People loading the 5.7x28 for rifle encounter the twin problems that I have loading for the 5.7mm Johnson; limited powder choice and limited case capacity.
 
Yeah the same is true for a 22 hornet. My dad has 3 hornets and won't even bother to load them unless he can find LilGun.
 
I have been reloading the .22 TCM for the past 4 years. It is a fantastic round made by shortening a .223 Remington and sizing. It can turn 2,000 fps with a 40 grs bullet in a 1 3/4 inches of barrel. Sighted in the 1911 RI pistol 1"+ at 25 yards it is 1"- at 100 yards.
The rifle unfortunately was a terrible disappointment. It would not shoot after a year of trying every thing. I then took it to an accuracy shop in Morgan, Utah. The rifle just would not shoot consistently? I sold it to a fellow who was going to re-barrel it. :thumbdown:
Not to sidetrack too much @Dog Soldier , where do you get your reloading data for 22TCM? I'm considering reloading it as well but data is hard to find!
 
You can load a .223 down to .22 LR, .22 Mag, .22 Hornet velocities.

I've wanted a .22 Hornet forever, but it's much easier and cheaper to just download a .223. I cast my own bullets so I have a decent selection of bullets to use.

Of course these downloaded rounds won't cycle an AR but I only shoot them in my bolt gun.

There must be quite a bit of bullet drop compared to full power loads? I'm thinking I could just load them light and have a scope sighted in for full power loads and one sighted with the light loads. Some QD rings on each and I don't think they'd loose their zero
 
There must be quite a bit of bullet drop compared to full power loads? I'm thinking I could just load them light and have a scope sighted in for full power loads and one sighted with the light loads. Some QD rings on each and I don't think they'd loose their zero

Of course the trajectories are quite different. Same bullet at 2700 fps vs 1200 or less.
 
I guess the real question I meant to invoke was do you use the same scope? If so, how much bullet drop is there at "X" velocity at say 50 yards?
 
When someone puts out a SUB2000 barrel in .22 TCM, they will have made the prefect collapsible rifle.
 
I think the 5.7 makes a dandy little plinking and small varmint round. More than a 22 mag, and less than a Hornet, but plenty of fun to shoot. Mine is an AR57 Upper receiver.
 
I've owned the 22TCM and 5.7 in pistols, and the 5.7 in rifle. Like most handgun cartridges, out of a rifle, there are a lot of other options which are better suited, more versatile, greater component supply, etc.

Getting a large shank Savage in any cartridge under the sun isn't a real challenge; just takes money for a barrel, bolt head, and mag box, and you have access to any cartridge within the action length.

My frustration with the 5.7 was brass supply. For its performance, it's a lot of work running down brass, and it's often frustrating to waste time looking for brass in the grass instead of hunting or shooting. Getting performance barely better than 22wmr or 17HMR, and lesser than 22H just didn't make a lot of sense to me, so I sold the rifle, and the pistol.

Brass supply for the 22 TCM, of course, is inundating, but for the performance, the same hunt for brass is annoying, as the consequence is cutting, trimming, annealing, necking, reaming & turning. Some guys get away without reaming & turning, but I prefer to have consistent neck tension, and I've seen far too much variation in wall thickness to be content just necking down. In a rifle, you're talking about a blocked magazine in a short action, with a 223rem bolt face - why not simply use a 223rem? That's the question I asked myself when I bailed on my 22 TCM companion rifle project. 221 Fireball or Hornet are better options as well, and the 221 brass is more readily available than factory TCM brass, OR can be made in the same method from 223rem.

If a guy is set on "something different," then I'd get a 221 Fireball or TCM, and skip the 5.7. The 5.7's a little hotter, but access to brass isn't certain.
 
The Tomcat is still an RIA-only cartridge, both guns and ammo. I favor the 22 Hornet for a reloadable approximation of the 22WRM (only better).
I love the .22 Hornet for that reason:

I like a 45 grain NEA flat-based bullet, tumble lubed ahead of 2.7 grains of Bullseye for a .22 LR round. For .22 Mag levels, I gas check the bullet with a Pat Marlins Checkmaker (the checks are made from coke cans) and powder coat the bullet. I load it ahead of 8 grains of Hodgdon's Li'l Gun.

For a full charge load, I load a 35 grain Hornady V-Max over a case full of Li'l Gun -- I use the case itself as the measure, filling it full, tapping it to settle the powder, and compressing the charge when seating the bullet. This gives me about 3,050 fps.
 
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