CA Resident - Ordered 1000 rounds online and store "lost or didn't receive it"

Cooldill said:

Chalk it up as a loss and move on. You got burned, but life goes on.

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I am unsure how much these rounds cost, but I am positive I would not let it go. I would not let a human walk up and remove three hundred dollars from my hand either. The only way to be robbed is to let it happen.

Often, is 'move on' offered when someone is given the raw end of the stick. One piece of brass perhaps, but one thousand rounds of ammunition? It is unlikely any human is so flush or unconcerned with their purchases.

Don 't you have to pass a 4473 to get ammo in hand in state now? How does that work if you don't actually"get" it in your hands.

Aim1 said:

I've heard of USPS saying merchandise was dropped off and signed for and it wasn't. Here's why.

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It was not USPS. It was UPS.

FROGO207 said:

Don 't you have to pass a 4473 to get ammo in hand in state now? How does that work if you don't actually"get" it in your hands.

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Not yet. That law goes into effect next year.

This year was 'no internet ammo buyer without it going thru a approved ammo reseller'

(I'm not using the technically correct terms).

Next year you'll have to get an ammo permit good for 4 or 5 yrs. When you want to buy ammo from an approved ammo reseller, they'll have to check to see if the permit is still valid.

danez71 said:

Not yet. That law goes into effect next year.

This year was 'no internet ammo buyer without it going thru a approved ammo reseller'

(I'm not using the technically correct terms).

Next year you'll have to get an ammo permit good for 4 or 5 yrs. When you want to buy ammo from an approved ammo reseller, they'll have to check to see if the permit is still valid.

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Is the "approved ammo reseller" charging or allowed to charge a fee for the transaction?

Seems like it is only fair to the retailer for having to deal with handling the order and verifying the buyer has approved permit.

BSA1 said:

Is the "approved ammo reseller" charging or allowed to charge a fee for the transaction?

Seems like it is only fair to the retailer for having to deal with handling the order and verifying the buyer has approved permit.

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In the scenario of the OP, I'm pretty darn sure they can and I don't know at all if the amount is capped like it is with private party gun tranfers in CA.

Propforce said:

I had put in my address incorrectly (wrong street number - new house), fortunately the UPS guy recognized my name and brought them to the correct house ! (I was ordering a lot to meet the end of 2017 deadline then).

Also kudos to Midway, I had another package returned to them because of wrong street number, they emailed me and I called. They reshipped the package without charging me additional.

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WOW, I had Midway send a package to the WRONG address, I called and they demanded I pay new shipping! They said if the wrong address accepted the package, it was my problem, and they wanted a charge to cancel delivery, and reship. Midway sent it to my old address, after I deleted it from their records. My confirmation page showed the correct address.

I recently special ordered some stuff to a very good FFL 70 miles away, the only one who would get what I wanted, and didn't get there for a few days. When I went in, told them my order number, there was searching, they were clearly nervous after they couldn't find it, knowing how long the drive was. After about 10-15 minutes, they found it, in very strange packaging that surprised us both. It may be the same thing here, but Mike was not as motivated as these guys were to find it. Maybe they're not interested in ammo nowadays.

BDW3432 said:

It's a $25-35 fee. Again, another CA law that does nothing but make it more difficult for lawful citizens to acquire self defense.

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Ummm. That's kinda the idea. If its difficult to participate in the shooting sports, they are hoping a lot of people will just give it up.

What’s wrong with you guys? Give Mike/UPS a chance to do the right thing. It is way too early to either be stringing someone up or crying in your beer. Freedom is a stand up company. If all else fails, they will likely make it good.

I buy all my ammo except .22LR from Freedom with direct delivery to the house here in TX. But honestly Wal Mart and Academy are just about as cheap when ammo is in good supply. If you can use Wal Mart where you are, OP, that might be your best bet.

Sounds like Mike is trying to make it right for you. I know receiving docks are generally pitiful messes. People sign for pallets and deliveries without really examining what is within. Then it gets shoved to the aside and more crap piled on top and pretty soon it is "not there." You would think it would be more important to a company to carefully keep track of all inventory, but lots of stores do not consider items "inventory" until it is on the proper shelf. Maybe offer to help look through his loading dock with him. I find that once I, in a friendly way, get into a business person's own space, they get much more motivated to get it taken care of and get me out of their space. (Try this at a restaurant that makes you wait to be seated and no one is around. Casually stand behind the hostess pedestal looking around and someone will hustle out to get you in your proper place.)

Also, describe the type and size of the packaging to look for. Sometimes store people have no clue if the item is square, long, heavy, bulky, or a tiny little box. "It is a foot square and weighs 40 lbs." may be enough to help them zero in on it quickly.

Cooldill said:

Chalk it up as a loss and move on. You got burned, but life goes on.

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How about sending me 1,000 rounds of ammunition. I promise to pay you after I get it. (And when I don't, just chalk it up as a loss and move on.)

OP said the owner of the shop offered to replace it if it doesn't turn up. I'd call that an attempt to do the right thing. It's often said here and other places that mistakes will happen from time to time. It's how you go about rectifying the situation that counts then.

1911 guy said:

OP said the owner of the shop offered to replace it if it doesn't turn up. I'd call that an attempt to do the right thing. It's often said here and other places that mistakes will happen from time to time. It's how you go about rectifying the situation that counts then.

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I’d do business where the owner tries to do the right things

UPS will have a record of who signed for the package. That should be the starting and ending point of the search.

Ya know an employee might have thought it was a stock order and put it on the sales floor. So the next guy comes in and says "I'll buy it". Ammo now missing. No big mystery there. If they take care of the problem no big deal IMHO.

How did you pay for it?

I buy everything not face to face (that I can: some internet stuff with PP) with credit cards. Things that do not show up, or very much do not show up properly (wrong product, broken), and the vendor won't deal with it, you just call the card company.

They are quite surprisingly on your side, especially if you actually have been with them a while and pay your bill on time. I've never once had them (in the 3 times I had to do it) challenge me, or even follow up with more details. They apparently (from friends who have worked in the field) will pursue the case much like your insurance company will in a car crash. You get the money back, but then they bug the vendor A Lot to get their money back from them. And they have power as they can declare a business to be fraudulent and then no one will give them a card reader ever again. These days, that's a problem.


Also agree, especially in CA, that LE may be interested in this as it's lost Dangerous Stuff. Approach them nicely, questioningly, to see if they care or "want you to" file a report, not to demand they help as you are an aggrieved man. Not like you loosing a gun, so the S/N can get back to you so you have no functionally attachable liability, but I might pretend I had that concern as well; stuff I bought is just out there in the world, who knows what is being shot with it!

I ordered 5000 .22 LR on Sat. It will be delivered to my HOUSE. MOVE to a free State.

"Free State" is a relative term...
I can get ammo delivered to my house in Kansass but not wine.

luger fan said:

I ordered 5000 .22 LR on Sat. It will be delivered to my HOUSE. MOVE to a free State.

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Easier said than done.

Shanghai McCoy said:

"Free State" is a relative term...
I can get ammo delivered to my house in Kansass but not wine.

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Same situation here. Ammo to your front door, no problem. Back ground check for a gun purchase, everybody gets one every time you purchase.