mpd61
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Anybody have any thoughts or experience with the Ruger Hawkeye FTW, especially in the .260 Rem? Now that's a long range rifle isn't it?
The Ruger American series are substantially better than the Axis?
Anybody have any thoughts or experience with the Ruger Hawkeye FTW, especially in the .260 Rem? Now that's a long range rifle isn't it?
Imo they are cleaner, and short actions are actually short actions.The Ruger American series are substantially better than the Axis?
I agree, except on the one point. The axis bolt handles tend to hit low ocular bells on either low mounted scopes, or scopes with big bells.Not mechanically, but in retained resale value, yes.
For 1,000yrd games, I run a 6mm Creedmoor. Low recoil, low cost, great aerodynamics. A fast twist 243win would do the same thing. The ONLY factory ammo available for 6 Creed is match ammo. A 6.5 creedmoor would be a better choice for a factory ammo shooter.
A 7mm Rem mag or 300 Win mag will cost twice as much to feed, have a ton more recoil, and won’t do anything the 6.5 Creedmoor won’t do except swing the plate more. If you were playing 1600yrd games, then the magnums almost make sense, but there are better options for ELR than either of these. You won’t hit any more targets than the other guys at 1000 with a 7RM or 300WM, but you WILL quit shooting earlier because of excessive recoil, and will spend more doing it. If you don’t need to kill something on the other end, you don’t need to run that much horsepower.
For a 600yrds game, using factory ammo, I’d run the 6.5 Creedmoor if I wanted to win, a 6.5 grendel if I wanted to play, and a 223/5.56 if I just wanted to show up. The 223/5.56 will hold its own, but it takes a very specialized load and a great shooter to be effective against a fast 6 or 6.5mm. The Grendel chambered CZ might be a fun option if an AR doesn’t float your boat. For 1,000yrd game on factory ammo, I’d shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor.
"Precision" is your choice of wording. I was just wondering if a laminated stock, medium-heavy, 24" barreled, bolt rifle in .260 could be a long range gun.Not really. It’s a Ruger M77 MkII Hawkeye - a huge, heavy, CRF claw extractor action. Nothing really “precision” about them.
"Precision" is your choice of wording. I was just wondering if a laminated stock, medium-heavy, 24" barreled, bolt rifle in .260 could be a long range gun.
When I first got into long rang shooting I thought a 300 wm was the thing to use. It don’t take long to realize a magnum is not much of fun to shoot! They eat a lot of material and give me a headache if i shoot more than 20-30 rounds. You can get almost exact ballistics with a 6.5 cm.One followup question, should I consider .300WM or 7mm Rem Mag even though my local dealer does not have ammo marked 'match' for these calibers, but he does have so called premium ammo in .300WM and 7MM mag??
Also, my son now says there is talk of 600 or 700 yd games for his buddies that have .223 or lesser than 1000 yd calibers. It is a run what you brung informal fun shooting so I may try my hand at 600 yds before attempting 1000 yds. but I still want the best bang for the buck whatever I end up with. I have seen a few heavy barrelled 700's and Winchester 70s at local gun shows in .243, 6mm, .264 for about $600
Gotta go with this. I have owned 3 Creedmoors and the American Predator was the the most accurate with several different loads. If I was going to get semi-serious and could afford to splurge, the Bergara HMR would get the nod. However you are looking at almost twice the price over the Ruger and decent glass will cost as much as the rifle.6.5 Creedmoor is your cartridge. I don't own one. I shoot .308, .260 and .243AI, and have a .260AI waiting to be broken in. But I'd still recommend the 6.5 Creedmoor as the best budget entry round for 1,000 yards. I don't think .308 will be much cheaper, as you'll need a 175 grain bullet from a 26-inch barrel to really make it sing, and the inexpensive .308 ammo is generally loaded with a 150-168 grain bullet. The 6.5 CM will get there much more easily, and with less recoil.
As for rifle, I'd probably go with a Ruger American Predator. I would not buy a packaged scope; rather, I'd save up for better glass with a 30mm tube. And down the road a bit, I'd plan to replace the stock and the trigger, but you don't need to do that immediately.
I don't know what your budget is, but I'd give serious consideration to a Bergara B-14 HMR in .6.5 CM. Buy once, cry once.
I agree, except on the one point. The axis bolt handles tend to hit low ocular bells on either low mounted scopes, or scopes with big bells.
a quibbling point imo because they do work, but the Axis mags are not as nice as the ruger mags. Now that the short action rugers get AICS mags id give that to the ruger as well.
The Predator was fine out to 500yards with a 4X12 Voctex. Need more glass after 500.
Not for me. My 6X18 Vortex works at 500, but I would still want more when we start talking about distance over 1/2 mile.12X wasn't enough past 500 yards?
I shoot a 15" plate at 1000 yds with a 14x , I don't have trouble seeing it. No doubt more power is good, but 14x works for me on my 308.someone suggested to me that for every 100 feet of distance a nice rule of thumb is 1x for each 100 feet. 100 yds = 3x, 1000 yds = 30x, etc., not sure if that is overkill, but.......
Exactly my point! LOL!
It's called sarcasm, I can't stand this hyperbole about the 6.5 Skidmoor...........I have two (2) 6.5x55's and NOBODY can convince me this new kid named Creedmoor can do anything better than the original mauser.
yeah the newest generation of shorts are aics.The regular production Ruger American rifles in short action have AICS mags now?
yeah the newest generation of shorts are aics.