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If backed into a position that you can no longer defend......

But DP is correct, If Henry sales start to suffer that is the only reason they will shell out the extra money to machine in a gate, and with the other folks making them being in short supply or have questions on the quality they can continue to short change their customers and brain wash them into thinking the tube is better.
 
Exactly, SG.

FP, this loading gate thing has reached the status of a religious cult, where there is no other view allowed, and anyone who disagrees with the Cult Of The Sidegate must be a doomed infidel unable to think for themselves and unworthy of enjoying any alternatives to "The One True Path".

If your "backed into a corner" comment was directed at me, what kind of horsepuckey is this?
I don't need to "defend" anything, nor am I.

The Henry company is prospering beyond your conception, and that's not because Imperato's "cheap" (he's not), his guns are the only thing available (they're not), or because buyers who choose them are too stupid to know better (they're not).

When the sidegate issue becomes one of religious dogma, as it has for some, the simple statement to not buy one if you don't like 'em can't break an impenetrable wall that still insists (endlessly, interminably, and relentlessly) that anything else is blasphemy, and those who take that path MUST be forever hammered on for choosing something outside the "correct" path.

God forbid (apparently literally) that anybody who dares proclaim in public that he or she has a tube-loader, and LIKES it, be allowed to enjoy such an "abomination".

Give it a rest.
Go shoot whatever it is that you shoot, and grant us the courtesy of at least possessing the illusion that we're smart enough to know what WE want, what WE like, and what WE should spend our own money on.

Your obvious hatred of Henry is an obsession that only makes you look foolish.
Denis
 
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And one other quick comment re the "extra money to machine a gate"-
Think about it.
With the extra parts involved in the tube-loading magazine, it actually costs more to produce that type of rifle than it would a conventional sidegate rifle.
The slider tube, with it's multiple parts & machining operations, is a more expensive unit to fabricate than a standard simple mag tube, and costs more than what you think a simple sidegate machining operation would.

And designing a side loading port in an action involves more than simply milling a hole in the frame, too.

This type of commentary regarding the Henrys going with a tube loader instead of a side loader because it's cheaper just illustrates how little you understand either the design or the manufacturing processes involved.

To put it as bluntly & clearly as possible, in case you're still missing the point: The current Henry tube-loading system was not chosen because it's "cheap", and it is NOT cheaper than going with a sidegate.

Imperato's decision to go with a tube-loading system had zero to do with costs.
Denis
 
I'll add another vote for the Henry. I actually like the tube loader for 2 reasons:

1. My dad had a tube-loading .22LR rifle when I was a kid and to me that was the "normal" way to load a tube.
2. The 1990 remake of Night of the Living dead featured a tube loading Henry rifle that I always liked the look of :).

Admittedly my only lever action rifle that I currently own is a Marlin in .30-30, but one of the Henrys are definitely on my wish list.
 
If you do ever acquire a Henry, don't take it out in broad daylight or you run the risk of being stoned to death in public, and above all else NEVER admit it on a gun forum.
Somebody is quite likely to immediately call Cult Central & have a Torch & Pitchfork Squad dispatched to your front door. :)
Denis
 
DPris said:
Exactly, SG.

FP, this loading gate thing has reached the status of a religious cult, where there is no other view allowed, and anyone who disagrees with the Cult Of The Sidegate must be a doomed infidel unable to think for themselves and unworthy of enjoying any alternatives to "The One True Path".

If your "backed into a corner" comment was directed at me, what kind of horsepuckey is this?
I don't need to "defend" anything, nor am I.

The Henry company is prospering beyond your conception, and that's not because Imperato's "cheap" (he's not), his guns are the only thing available (they're not), or because buyers who choose them are too stupid to know better (they're not).

When the sidegate issue becomes one of religious dogma, as it has for some, the simple statement to not buy one if you don't like 'em can't break an impenetrable wall that still insists (endlessly, interminably, and relentlessly) that anything else is blasphemy, and those who take that path MUST be forever hammered on for choosing something outside the "correct" path.

God forbid (apparently literally) that anybody who dares proclaim in public that he or she has a tube-loader, and LIKES it, be allowed to enjoy such an "abomination".

Give it a rest.
Go shoot whatever it is that you shoot, and grant us the courtesy of at least possessing the illusion that we're smart enough to know what WE want, what WE like, and what WE should spend our own money on.

Your obvious hatred of Henry is an obsession that only makes you look foolish.
Denis
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Sweetheart you are defending it.
 
Lets look at what history has told us....we had the tube loader....then someone made a gate on the side, no one forced you to put in the gate...in fact it cost extra money for using the patent as well as the extra work that had to be done to the receiver.....no one made anyone stop using the tube history decided the gate was the better system....if it was not better it would not have been on every lever gun after the original henry, up to, we wanted pointy bullets, (and as I said before we will ignore Lebel for a sec) so we had to figure a way to make them not go kaboom. Savage came up with a cool rotary magazine....that somehow ruger gets credit for, and winchester had a stacking mag under the rifle....the gate was gone, but on not pointy boolits, the gate loader keep on coming. Quick no google....name another tube loader lever or otherwise that is not a 22 and not a henry.

Sorry history is very cut and dry....the tube loader had its shot and lost.
 
fpgt72 said:
Sorry history is very cut and dry....the tube loader had its shot and lost.
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I have absolutely no dog in this, but the fact Henry is selling boatloads of lever guns means that Henry has figured out that people will pay good money for tube magazine loading centerfire leverguns. If that wasn't true, Henry guns wouldn't have sold enough to keep them in business.

History of the past is one thing, but this is the 21st century and newly manufactured tube magazine lever guns are a plenty. It probably has something to do with most people not looking at lever guns as fighting guns when autoloaders are so abundant.

This is one of those situations where people can buy a gate loader or a tube loader. I really don't see a problem in the variety available to us today.
 
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FP,
You've deteriorated into sheer lunacy.

"...had its shot and lost..."

No intelligent discussion is possible with you.
Blather on, you're on ignore.
Denis
 
In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?".

like I said before, I never thought I would like the tube loader until a friend gave me a Henry. It is a beautiful rifle and as well made as any of my JM Marlins. We had a blast, sitting out in the desert, loading up our Henrys, and just shooting random targets. I have since come to believe that this abomination, know as a tube loader, works well enough for me. I never thought I would like it, but it has grown on me. I guess if it is good enough for my Marlin 39, then it is good enough for my Big Boy. To each his own.
 
Bicycles and horses also fell out of favor, I guess nobody can enjoy those either.

Seriously though the tube loader on the new Henry big boy is nothing at all like the tube on the original 1860 Henry, so any comparison of the two is quite ignorant. I like the tube on the 1860 Henry. Don’t care for the 22 style one on the big boy.

I’ve handled quite a few of the big boys. My complaints of them are that the are in my eye kinda chunky and ugly, and the telescoping tube. Pro’s are they are smooth, very well made for the price, nice wood, proud American company, and good customer service. If they ever make one with a loading gate I will be one of the first to order one.
 
I’m curious about why the ability to “top off” is so important to some.

“Just because” is a perfectly acceptable answer, of course.

I personally can’t think of many real world situations in which topping off offers a real world advantage. I guess in a protracted gunfight, but to me, the chances of that happening are so close to zero that it doesn’t make sense to factor into my purchase decisions. If I thought a protracted gunfight was, for whatever reason, in my future, I wouldn’t want a lever gun of any kind.
 
I like lever actions, but I'm not a huge fan of the side gate. Currently all I have is a Marlin 39M 22lr. I'd really like a Savage 99, or if someone would start making them again. A BLR or Henry Long Hunter in 6.5 would be cool as well. Maybe a bottom loader like a shotgun would be possible.
 
cdb1 said:
Then why is Henry doing so well?
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Pretty simple, they make them.

What do you see on the show room floor....Rossi.....The new questionable Marlin....Winchesters fill the racks....nope, you see henry.

I have never said that henry makes a bad product, it is a well made finely finished product.....they are just taking the lazy and cheap way out.

They do sell buckets of them, would they sell buckets more if it was built "right"....me thinks so. People buy the new Marlin knowing the issues going in, because the gate....why else, they get put on wait lists for the rossi, why....there is the same henry sitting right there...ready to go today (in some states) but no they will wait months for that Rossi....I wonder why....is fit and finish on the rossi or Marlin better....I don't think on average it is.....so why, because it is built the way people want them.....and those that do not want to wait will go with henry....some will go because of the "american made" they tout so often. They know how to market a product lacking features no doubt about that.

You will not change my mind that they are lazy, and I will not change your mind.....But I bet if there are two henry rifles sitting on the counter one with a gate and one without, and the gate version cost $100 more, I have a feeling I know what would go home with the customer 9 times out of 10...and this is why you will never see a henry with the gate....they know it and it would kill their business.

Sorry if the truth really hurts and some can not defend their position so they take their ball and go home.
 
someguy2800 said:
Bicycles and horses also fell out of favor, I guess nobody can enjoy those either.

Seriously though the tube loader on the new Henry big boy is nothing at all like the tube on the original 1860 Henry, so any comparison of the two is quite ignorant. I like the tube on the 1860 Henry. Don’t care for the 22 style one on the big boy.

I’ve handled quite a few of the big boys. My complaints of them are that the are in my eye kinda chunky and ugly, and the telescoping tube. Pro’s are they are smooth, very well made for the price, nice wood, proud American company, and good customer service. If they ever make one with a loading gate I will be one of the first to order one.
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You miss the point, Bicycles and horses are very good to look at next to a lever rifle, both are really just for the fun of it anymore, and both enjoy playing with them.

Really the only part that matters in looking at the original henry and the current offerings is you load the thing from the muzzle end, that is about all that matters, the base of the system.

And that bring it back to another comment a poster made but I am too lazy to quote.....in this day in age it really does not matter one lick, in the past it did, and like I said in my other post if history liked the tube loading the gate would have never become the default way on all but very few lever rifles....tube loading became not the way to do it....it is not possible to look at everything from photos from "the old west" to movies from hollyweard and see the gate is the "wild west" gun. Anyone see people in SAS using tube loaders in vast numbers and winning their games. I am sure there are a few for the experience of it, but the safety aspect of loading a tube loader in that setting would make me uneasy...you would have to be very careful.

Sorry tube loading lost.....you can still enjoy the rifle just like you enjoy your horse (i hate horses as well, and you would understand if you ever had to bury a horse) or your bicycle.....but that horse and bicycle are not the most efficient way to move from A to B, just like loading a lever rifle from the tube is not the most efficient.....But then again lever rifles are not cutting edge anymore, so really they are a toy....be you use that toy to take game or ring steel....still a toy....and for toys again who cares as long as you have fun with it......

Historically the tube lost and the gate won, and henry could sell gated rifles, and would.....but at the expense of their other offerings and this is why you don't see them....if anyone gets off their duff and builds a good lever gun and henry sales take a hit...this is the only time you will see them offer a gate system.
 
fpgt72 said:
You miss the point, Bicycles and horses are very good to look at next to a lever rifle, both are really just for the fun of it anymore, and both enjoy playing with them.

Really the only part that matters in looking at the original henry and the current offerings is you load the thing from the muzzle end, that is about all that matters, the base of the system.

And that bring it back to another comment a poster made but I am too lazy to quote.....in this day in age it really does not matter one lick, in the past it did, and like I said in my other post if history liked the tube loading the gate would have never become the default way on all but very few lever rifles....tube loading became not the way to do it....it is not possible to look at everything from photos from "the old west" to movies from hollyweard and see the gate is the "wild west" gun. Anyone see people in SAS using tube loaders in vast numbers and winning their games. I am sure there are a few for the experience of it, but the safety aspect of loading a tube loader in that setting would make me uneasy...you would have to be very careful.

Sorry tube loading lost.....you can still enjoy the rifle just like you enjoy your horse (i hate horses as well, and you would understand if you ever had to bury a horse) or your bicycle.....but that horse and bicycle are not the most efficient way to move from A to B, just like loading a lever rifle from the tube is not the most efficient.....But then again lever rifles are not cutting edge anymore, so really they are a toy....be you use that toy to take game or ring steel....still a toy....and for toys again who cares as long as you have fun with it......

Historically the tube lost and the gate won, and henry could sell gated rifles, and would.....but at the expense of their other offerings and this is why you don't see them....if anyone gets off their duff and builds a good lever gun and henry sales take a hit...this is the only time you will see them offer a gate system.
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I never thought someone would have me defending the tube lol. Seriously I don't know why your so fanatical against anything you don't like. These are all toys so who cares? If you don't like it don't buy it. And no I don't like bicycles or horses, I'm a car guy. :D
 
drband said:
Saw a Rossi .357 in stainless @ our local LGS/range. $519.00. It was finished quite nicely though I did not like the wood. Fit of wood to frame was great.

I will need a lever gun at some point!
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I would love to have one of those. Last one I saw was at a gunshow several years ago and it was no bargain. Not even close and I just walked on by.
 
fpgt72 said:
Pretty simple, they make them.

What do you see on the show room floor....Rossi.....The new questionable Marlin....Winchesters fill the racks....nope, you see henry.

I have never said that henry makes a bad product, it is a well made finely finished product.....they are just taking the lazy and cheap way out.

They do sell buckets of them, would they sell buckets more if it was built "right"....me thinks so. People buy the new Marlin knowing the issues going in, because the gate....why else, they get put on wait lists for the rossi, why....there is the same henry sitting right there...ready to go today (in some states) but no they will wait months for that Rossi....I wonder why....is fit and finish on the rossi or Marlin better....I don't think on average it is.....so why, because it is built the way people want them.....and those that do not want to wait will go with henry....some will go because of the "american made" they tout so often. They know how to market a product lacking features no doubt about that.

You will not change my mind that they are lazy, and I will not change your mind.....But I bet if there are two henry rifles sitting on the counter one with a gate and one without, and the gate version cost $100 more, I have a feeling I know what would go home with the customer 9 times out of 10...and this is why you will never see a henry with the gate....they know it and it would kill their business.

Sorry if the truth really hurts and some can not defend their position so they take their ball and go home.
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Well I’ll take my ball home, play with DPris and put you on ignore too.
 
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