Rifle load development methods compared

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@Nature Boy, do you end up doing an anneal confirmation once you've got a load worked up? When I did the load workup for my AI AW with the 6.5 CM barrel and had a good load, I followed it up with a test to confirm that my anneal was good. This is a 10-shot test for used Hornady brass. I have 300 pieces of new SRP 6.5CM Lapua brass and plan on doing a new load work up using H4350 rather than Reloder 17.

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This morning I managed to do a 300 yard 10-shot test of the load shown in my last post using Federal GM205M primers. I shot off a concrete bench using an Atlas bipod up front and a rubber pad at the rear. I need to get a leather sand filled flat bag for the rear of this AXMC because I've struggled a bit with this stock. I'm fairly sure that the vertical deviation was due to me not controlling the rear of the rifle as well as I should have but left to right was excellent. Regardless, this load needs a bit more work but it's looking pretty good so far. I don't single load any rounds when shooting the AIs since they're practical rifles not designed for F-Class or Benchrest.

The range I shot at today doesn't have 110V power and the LabRadar goes through AA batteries in a hurry so I didn't get any velocity data. My comment re vertical error is mostly conjecture on my part based on my not being comfortable with the rear of the rifle. Velocity data would have been interesting though.

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This morning I managed to do a 300 yard 10-shot test of the load shown in my last post using Federal GM205M primers. I shot off a concrete bench using an Atlas bipod up front and a rubber pad at the rear. I need to get a leather sand filled flat bag for the rear of this AXMC because I've struggled a bit with this stock. I'm fairly sure that the vertical deviation was due to me not controlling the rear of the rifle as well as I should have but left to right was excellent. Regardless, this load needs a bit more work but it's looking pretty good so far. I don't single load any rounds when shooting the AIs since they're practical rifles not designed for F-Class or Benchrest.

The range I shot at today doesn't have 110V power and the LabRadar goes through AA batteries in a hurry so I didn't get any velocity data. My comment re vertical error is mostly conjecture on my part based on my not being comfortable with the rear of the rifle. Velocity data would have been interesting though.

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All of that vertical could be your shooting set up (i.e., rear bag)
 
Nature Boy said:
All of that vertical could be your shooting set up (i.e., rear bag)

Yeah, I think that was the problem. I bought a flat leather bag for the rear but haven't used it with the AXMC yet. I did use it with the AW and it worked very well.
 
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Yeah, I think that was the problem. I bought a flat leather bag for the rear but haven't used it with the AXMC yet. I did use it with the AW and it worked very well.
Protector sells an inexpensive front rest that works great with a basic rear bag, i use it especially for my hunting rifle it has a simple threaded post a lock ring $65 ish
 
This morning I managed to do a 300 yard 10-shot test of the load shown in my last post using Federal GM205M primers. I shot off a concrete bench using an Atlas bipod up front and a rubber pad at the rear. I need to get a leather sand filled flat bag for the rear of this AXMC because I've struggled a bit with this stock. I'm fairly sure that the vertical deviation was due to me not controlling the rear of the rifle as well as I should have but left to right was excellent. Regardless, this load needs a bit more work but it's looking pretty good so far. I don't single load any rounds when shooting the AIs since they're practical rifles not designed for F-Class or Benchrest.

The range I shot at today doesn't have 110V power and the LabRadar goes through AA batteries in a hurry so I didn't get any velocity data. My comment re vertical error is mostly conjecture on my part based on my not being comfortable with the rear of the rifle. Velocity data would have been interesting though.

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I’ve always had difficulty developing a load using a bi pod.
Doesn’t bother some fellas but the vertical sure messes me up.
 
The range I shot at today doesn't have 110V power and the LabRadar goes through AA batteries in a hurry so I didn't get any velocity data.
Get a power bank and you won't have to bother with AA's anymore. I got one like this but there are lots to choose from:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072XD7SDB/ref=dp_cerb_2
One other thing, the micro usb cable connection in to the Labradar is a bit touchy. I found muzzle blast was hitting the power cord and the lab radar would turn off. Either get a 90 degree micro usb or use some tape to insure there's no movement.
 
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Get a power bank and you won't have to bother with AA's anymore. I got one like this but there are lots to choose from:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072XD7SDB/ref=dp_cerb_2
One other thing, the micro usb cable connection in to the Labradar is a bit touchy. I found muzzle blast was hitting the power cord and the lab radar would turn off. Either get a 90 degree micro usb or use some tape to insure there's no movement.

I've had a Ventev dual port (5W & 10) powercell for three or four years but completely forgot about taking it to the range. Thanks for the tip re the 90 degree USB cable. I don't think I've had any problems with the cable yet but that's something to look at if problems occur. I do format the SD card regularly (not quick format), and that seems to increase reliability and speed of the unit.
 
South Prairie Jim said:
Protector sells an inexpensive front rest that works great with a basic rear bag, i use it especially for my hunting rifle it has a simple threaded post a lock ring $65 ish

South Prairie Jim said:
I’ve always had difficulty developing a load using a bi pod.
Doesn’t bother some fellas but the vertical sure messes me up.

I have a Caldwell rest that I modified extensively that works well and I generally don't have a problem shooting off "tactical" style bipods. I used the flat leather bag at the rear and an ATLAS bipod up front to shoot two 10-shot groups this past July 6th (AI AW 6.5 Creedmoor, Hornady 140gr ELD Match ammunition). Admittedly only at 100 yards and not load development, but I felt that I was controlling the rear of the rifle well. The first group on the left measured 0.612 moa, the group on the right 0.421 moa.

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I’ve been curious how load development performed at 100 yards would stack up compared to the traditional ladder test shot at distance. Time and weather finally allowed me a window to get it done this morning.

Bottom line: both methods compared favorably to each other.

First, here’s the hundred yard load test a did a few weeks ago. This is my preferred method.

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You load 3 rounds each at increasing charge weights and shoot them in order (not round robin). To find the accuracy nodes you look for group centers that deviate the least from point of aim when compared to adjacent groups. Also, flat spots in FPS data should correlate to the node. My notes on the target indicate avg FPS on the left, charge weight on top, group center distance to POA on right and velocity change between charges underneath.

As the target above indicates, the node is between 30.7 - 31.0

Here are the same charge weights shot today at 500 yards in a more traditional ladder method (note: usually you shoot 3 at each charge but since I already had the data at 100 I only shot one each)

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Similar to the 100 yard test, charges from 30.7 to 31.0 change the least vertically.

To verify, I loaded 10 rounds at 30.8g and shot two 5 shot groups at 500 yards

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Both 5 shot groups are under 0.3 moa

I’ll finish with some more background on the complete load development process and some notes on equipment in a following post.


You don't use near enough brown paper at 500. I use at least twice as much. Difference in confidence I suppose.
 
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