California Federal Judge: Semi-automatics and Machineguns are “Virtually Indistinguishable”

Well, they're both black and scary and a lot of them have those "shoulder thingies that go up"

Well, I'm not going to strongly disagree with him. But from my perspective this is a good argument that full autos should be easier to obtain.

Who appointed this idiot? Bet I can guess

.....as standard shift and automatic shift vehicle transmissions are virtually indistinguishable.....!

This is exactly why we need more pro-gun/2A federal judges appointed.

President Trump has been DOING THAT PRECISELY and if re-elected, will turn the table of federal district and circuit courts in conservatives' favor as already expressed by various federal court decisions and reversals including the SCOTUS - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Donald_Trump

Vote wisely in 2020.

Elections have consequences - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/re-training-of-firearms-related-information.849620/

bds said:

President Trump has been DOING THAT PRECISELY and if re-elected, will turn the table of federal district and circuit courts in conservatives' favor as already expressed by various federal court decisions and reversals including the SCOTUS

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Trump has been doing the exact opposite of being pro-2A. He may have A rate from the NRA, but he gets an F from anyone who has been paying attention.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...to-trump-ban-on-gun-bump-stocks-idUSKCN1QF10L

Ignorance about guns from liberals.

Shocking

In the same way that a field mouse and a woolly mammoth are virtually indistinguishable...

Well, it's a good thing I don't own or need semi-auto version of assault rifle because after today's tragic event in Texas they will care about the difference even less. I'm not blaming inanimate tool semi-auto version of AK-47 but desperados are going to reach for something readily available and easy to deploy.

herrwalther said:

Trump has been doing the exact opposite of being pro-2A. He may have A rate from the NRA, but he gets an F from anyone who has been paying attention.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...to-trump-ban-on-gun-bump-stocks-idUSKCN1QF10L

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He may be playing appeasement politics with accessories of dubious value used by a relative handful of gun owners, but the alternative- Hillary Clinton, was actively calling for Australian style gun control in the USA.

Would I prefer an electable candidate who advocates for my right to own military-comparable weaponry as a hedge against domestic tyranny and foreign invasion, as was the true intent of the 2nd Amendement? Sure. But lets face it, the majority of Americans (including gun owners) think the 2A gaurantees your right to hunt and defend your home from burglars- which is, in fact its legal definition now under Heller. Bump stocks, binary triggers, and, sadly, supressors dont fit that narrative.

Indeed, under Heller, the new standard for what is permissible civilian firearm ownership would be weaponry equivalent to what criminals are packing, not the military. Such is the razor-thin protection we currently have for still owning semi-automatics.

If we must, and apparently we do, have to choose between an Executive who appoints conservative, strict constructionist judges at the expense of some of our toys, or one who will come after ALL privately owned firearms AND pack the court with liberal activists, well.........pick your poisen.

Palolosj said:

Well, it's a good thing I don't own or need semi-auto version of assault rifle because after today's tragic event in Texas they will care about the difference even less. I'm not blaming inanimate tool semi-auto version of AK-47 but desperados are going to reach for something readily available and easy to deploy.

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You mean like a pump action shotgun, a handgun or... a car and a knife?

No, I was thinking semi-auto AK-47 or AKM with drum or 30 round magazines.

rust collector said:

I could not find the NRA ILA article with the link provided, but did find this, which makes it clear that justice is indeed blind: https://www.guns.com/news/2019/07/26/federal-court-semi-autos-indistinguishable-from-m-16s

Wandering further in my search, I encountered this article from the Violence Policy Center that seeks to outlaw bb guns and other things that resemble "assault weapons". Does the last sentence sound a bit familiar? http://www.vpc.org/studies/awalook.htm

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They'll ban anything they can. Back in the '90s they were telling me that they wanted to ban gun private ownership of machine tools and BOOKS to prevent people from building guns.

The anti-gun cult is a totalitarian movement.

Palolosj said:

No, I was thinking semi-auto AK-47 or AKM with drum or 30 round magazines.

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That's not what THEY'RE thinking.

Deanimator said:

That's not what THEY'RE thinking.

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No, they're thinking if they ban guns their grandkids or great grandkids will be better off. It might work for those on top of the pyramid but not likely for those below them.

herrwalther said:

Trump has been doing the exact opposite of being pro-2A. He may have A rate from the NRA, but he gets an F from anyone who has been paying attention.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...to-trump-ban-on-gun-bump-stocks-idUSKCN1QF10L

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Trump Just Ditched a UN Arms Treaty, and He Was Right to Do It:
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/04...d-a-un-arms-treaty-and-he-was-right-to-do-it/

For Americans’ Gun Rights, the Stakes in 2020 Are as High as Ever:
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-...ights-the-stakes-in-2020-are-as-high-as-ever/

Gun Control:
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/gun-control/

Palolosj said:

No, they're thinking if they ban guns their grandkids or great grandkids will be better off. It might work for those on top of the pyramid but not likely for those below them.

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But they don't WANT to ban guns. They want to ban everybody ELSE'S guns. Like Teddy Kennedy's, their bodyguards will strut around with submachine guns.

rust collector said:

It is likely that Judge Josephine L Staton does not have a lot of experience with firearms, but the context is important here. If we are talking about appearance, I must agree with her. If discussing function, counsel has failed miserably to differentiate and educate.

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I agree with this. To a common citizen, any AR-15 or clone looks like a full auto. Counsel was surely lacking in their education of the court.

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But they don't WANT to ban guns. They want to ban everybody ELSE'S guns. Like Teddy Kennedy's, their bodyguards will strut around with submachine guns.

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Correct.

Deanimator said:

But they don't WANT to ban guns. They want to ban everybody ELSE'S guns. Like Teddy Kennedy's, their bodyguards will strut around with submachine guns.

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Well, "they," meaning antigunners, largely fall into three catagories, divided by socio-economic class.

Leftist Elites, who can afford gated compounds and private security who fear an armed proletariat for its potential to disrupt their finiancial status. Indeed, although many of them publicly espouse their dream of a socialist paradise, their real aim is to solidify their position as oligarchs while everyone else toils in unarmed, docile "equality."

Middle-class moms who fear their own disaffected, over-medicated teenagers who might shoot up a school.

Urban dwellers who fear street crime and gang warfare.

Different motivations, same goal- seizing your property.

Trump has actually done pretty well with appointing judges in the 9th. It's getting close to 50/50 from something like 22/78.

Well, those scary looking guns that they tell us are unnecessary are actually really necessary in those cities they run because anarchy does tend to breakout there.