It's Testy Out There

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There's also the fellow in Michigan who criticized a man for not wearing a mask. He was stabbed for his troubles.

The suspect ran out and drove away. When he saw the red lights behind him, he pulled over and stopped.

He then got out and ran back at the police officer with a knife.

He is dead.

Lessons learned:
  • Mind your own business
  • Do not stab people who do not mind their own business
  • Do not try to attack police officers with a knife
 
I realize that people are under a lot of stress right now but there's more to it (IMO) than masks.

Our society has changed and it appears to me that the new social norm is that strangers don’t interact with each other and they don’t offer random advice or correction to each other. When a person does this they are the one stepping outside the norms of accepted behavior.

I think it’s a generational thing and that some older people who came up in a vastly different society where people did start conversations with people they didn’t know haven’t realized there’s been a paradigm shift so we’re seeing instances where they react to their social mores and say something when they see something out of line and the younger person from a different culture within the same society reacts to their social mores and “calls the person making the correction (that wasn't theirs to make) into line” for “disrespecting” them.
 
Yep, missed that. It's clear that the public mask deniers have some other motivation or process than the validity of wearing a mask. Political posturing or mental disorder or both.

The bottom line is that one should not challenge them. Call the store people or the law if appropriate it.
 
GEM said:
Yep, missed that. It's clear that the public mask deniers have some other motivation or process than the validity of wearing a mask. Political posturing or mental disorder or both.

The bottom line is that one should not challenge them. Call the store people or the law if appropriate it.
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There are individuals that have preexisting medical conditions that prohibit the wearing of a mask.
 
GEM said:
Political posturing or mental disorder or both
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My question to those with more experience in dealing with threatening behavior is, would it be at least plausible to perceive individuals not heeding required safety equipment as a threat to ones well being? Especially if the "violator" also invades your personal space? Is it handled differently than other careless/reckless behavior? Not trying to debate the merits of the requirements, but more interested in finding out if there are any circumstances where ignoring the mandates could infringe on other people's rights.
 
TarDevil said:
We venture out to the grocery store, home improvement stores and occasional dinner at select restaurants. When I do, I wear my mask and will overtly distance myself from anyone not wearing one. Apparently the subject of masks has become a volatile trigger for confrontations, to the point that one Walmart customer drew his gun and pointed it in the direction of a mask-wearing customer.

I have been, and continue, pondering this specific scenario wondering what would be my response. I've been trained that a gun should never be drawn unless ready to use it and my assumption would be the same about someone unholstering at me. But I'd hate to think I shot someone over a face mask dispute (I'm not gonna confront anyone about masks, but I will dodge them like they're a festering plague).

Is this an OK discussion? How long do you wait when someone has a barrel pointed in your general direction? Do we assume the brandishing individual is just trying to get his point across with no intent to act further?

Like I said, it's a wild world out there.
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We can't debate every detail of any given encounter, because these details ONLY manifest themselves during the encounter itself.

How would you react ANY time a weapon is drawn on you?

The same processes you go through for any other encounter should be applied here in making your decision on what to do.

No encounter necessarily requires an automatic deadly force response. Those specific details are important in making that decision.
 
Trunk Monkey said:
I realize that people are under a lot of stress right now but there's more to it (IMO) than masks.

Our society has changed and it appears to me that the new social norm is that strangers don’t interact with each other and they don’t offer random advice or correction to each other. When a person does this they are the one stepping outside the norms of accepted behavior.

I think it’s a generational thing and that some older people who came up in a vastly different society where people did start conversations with people they didn’t know haven’t realized there’s been a paradigm shift so we’re seeing instances where they react to their social mores and say something when they see something out of line and the younger person from a different culture within the same society reacts to their social mores and “calls the person making the correction (that wasn't theirs to make) into line” for “disrespecting” them.
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To add to your perspective, I'll repeat what I've said twice. People are testy with shorter fuses than typical. There IS political divide; folks have lost jobs and income; folks in my age group are more than concerned about contracting this virus.
That's all to say avoiding conflict is more important than ever. I would venture to say more people are going armed than usual, some probably without proper licensing and training. 2A is taking heat from a rash of recent shootings. Everything we can do to deflect that attention is healthy for our rights.

Learn to smile with your eyes and be nice!
 
Regardless of whatever "science" is being touted concerning the wearing of a mask (for or against), it certainly isn't worth shooting someone, or getting shot, over wearing it, or not. Being confrontational can have nasty consequences.
 
There are people who sit down in the middle of the store and yell for the manager. There was a woman who dropped her pants and urinated. I'm not going to google the links. It's like the masks are a Rorschach test for some.

For this forum, see a freak out - leave. Call the cops.

Tactically, if you don't wear a mask for some political reason, be aware that someone might take you on. Worth it?
 
At least the media gave us the exact science with multiple (peer reviewed of course) studies showing how beneficial masks are at preventing the spread of this exact virus.

Wait they didn’t do that? We get scientific news based on political bias? No wonder people are testy! Nobody knows what to believe anymore. Doesn’t justify violence in any way but the media is stoking the testy fire. Fragile people seem to be running with opinionated news segments and acting out on people in public.
 
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