What To Expect From Ruger/Remington/Marlin

mcb said:

But remember the magazine tube in an 1891/1892/39A comes back through the receiver to a point just behind the front of the ejection port that would be right at were the front edge of the side-gate is on an 1891.

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You can see the end of the magazine plunger in this disassembled 39A. That would just about meet up with the front edge of the side gate in an 1891. I think even a 22 Short would have good support entering the tube. I believe the 1891 was rated for 22 Short, Long and Long Rifle though I can't confirm that.

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Good point. I hadn't taken my 39 apart to look into that.

I want to say that I read something years ago that a heal crimped lead .22 bullet would deform or loosen in its case by going through a side gate. Not sure where that was, but I believe it was about the Marlin 1891 and 39.

Makes me think a .22 WMR cartridge with a jacketed bullet would transition through a side gate better.

Here's a thought: How long until they come out with a Marlin lever chambered for 327 Federal? Ruger's stubborness in keeping making revolvers in that caliber is admirable. Henry could use some competition in the 327 carbine game.

chicharrones said:

Good point. I hadn't taken my 39 apart to look into that.

I want to say that I read something years ago that a heal crimped lead .22 bullet would deform or loosen in its case by going through a side gate. Not sure where that was, but I believe it was about the Marlin 1891 and 39.

Makes me think a .22 WMR cartridge with a jacketed bullet would transition through a side gate better.

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I could see that for sure. I would think you would need very light springs on the side-gate to keep it from working healed in bullets loose.

In the end the 1891 was not a successful product and as wrapped around the side-gate axle as I like to get I honestly don't really expend anyone to make one. The 39A is already going to be an expensive gun if Ruger remakes it and doing the 1891 version will only exacerbate the cost problem.

I expect Ruger to go one of two directions, possibly both...

1. Ruger American Lever Rifle (definitely a rimfire, probably a centerfire): This will be an economy priced lever gun with plastic furniture and parts that are inexpensive. I'm NOT saying they will be junk...but an economy grade gun.

2. Classic Marlin lever guns with a Ruger twist of some sort....with nice wood and blue steel, to pair up with their revolver lines. First ones off the line will be .357, .44, .45 Colt, maybe .327

I honestly have a hard time believing Ruger will simply reintroduce the previous Marlin line without something setting them off as different.

Just my guess.

mcb said:

But remember the magazine tube in an 1891/1892/39A comes back through the receiver to a point just behind the front of the ejection port that would be right at were the front edge of the side-gate is on an 1891.

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You can see the end of the magazine plunger in this disassembled 39A. That would just about meet up with the front edge of the side gate in an 1891. I think even a 22 Short would have good support entering the tube. I believe the 1891 was rated for 22 Short, Long and Long Rifle though I can't confirm that.

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The 1892 is rated S/L/LR. Can’t say I have ever seen an original ‘91.

Buzznrose said:

I expect Ruger to go one of two directions, possibly both...

1. Ruger American Lever Rifle (definitely a rimfire, probably a centerfire): This will be an economy priced lever gun with plastic furniture and parts that are inexpensive. I'm NOT saying they will be junk...but an economy grade gun.

2. Classic Marlin lever guns with a Ruger twist of some sort....with nice wood and blue steel, to pair up with their revolver lines. First ones off the line will be .357, .44, .45 Colt, maybe .327

I honestly have a hard time believing Ruger will simply reintroduce the previous Marlin line without something setting them off as different.

Just my guess.

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Your Ruger American Lever rifle is an interesting idea. A Marlin with some of the Wrangler economizing to reduce price.

Riomouse911 said:

I hope this isn’t the case. I’d like a Marlin in .357 but I may wait a bit to see how the roll out goes.

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I'm in the same boat but hoping roll out doesn't include roll marks.

Mycin said:

Here's a thought: How long until they come out with a Marlin lever chambered for 327 Federal? Ruger's stubborness in keeping making revolvers in that caliber is admirable. Henry could use some competition in the 327 carbine game.

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This. We need more than one manufacturer making 327 long arms.

brutus51 said:

I'm in the same boat but hoping roll out doesn't include roll marks.

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It’ll probably have the lawyer jargon on it somewhere .

Stay safe.

I read takedown models, I like that idea, I also want Lever Action, Revolver, and maybe a buck 119 combo sets, 1500 bucks? I also want to see .454 and .480 lever actions, I want to see more calibers like the 41 and .327 mags.

Plan2Live said:

1,500 Bucks? That's a lot of knives.

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Rookie numbers friend.

I think we will see a Marlin with MLOK forend. I'm calling it now. These things are really popular at the moment and Ruger seems to have their finger on the market.

I would love to see new Marlin lever action rifles again.
But who knows what Ruger has in mind. Marlin could end up being a firearms accessories brand for all we know.

one thing i don't expect is receiver castings. While Ruger specializes in that, they also have lots of CNC equipment, and Marlins are a simple enough design to make that way.
I do expect small parts cast
I do expect aluminum where it shouldn't be
I do expect plastic in the long run
I do expect Beachwood stocks
I do expect lousy triggers, though my experience with Rugers is good triggers, this will be a design they didn't come up with, so I think safety margins will win.
There will probably be some new chambering that doesn't need to exist, except it will be the ".356 Ruger mag" or something stupid like that. They will probably be heavier than they need to be too.

I sure hope they still do the 39a. I have an old one pre remington, greatest lever action. 22lr I've ever owned. was a bargain when I got it. the Henrys doesn't compete with it, have a couple of those too.

Hopefully they can bring back the 39A in caliber .22 Long Rifle.

BlueHeelerFl said:

The 1894 in 357 mag that I bought in Spring of 2019 is by far a better gun than the previous model I bought in the 90's

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I would like to get an 1894 in 357. Ideally a small loop, the large one doesn't look right to me. It would be nicely paired with a Ruger GP100 or SP101. The Marlins I ran across were 336W and 336Y models. Compared to my 336CS and a 1936, they were shoddy to say the least.

I would guess that what Ruger does with the Marlin line depends heavily on the condition/usability/suitability of the machinery and tooling acquired in the purchase.

bannockburn said:

I think it will be more like a couple of years (maybe three), to get Marlin up and running again. A new plant, a new workforce, new machinery, new sourced material, and so on.

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Ruger is noted for spinning on a manufacturing dime as far as time is concerned. Of course its a "we'll have to wait and see" situation, but I'd not be surprised if they have production going for a couple of models and stock on shelves in time for fall '21 hunting seasons. Part of the entire picture is the unknown of how much injection of "The Ruger Way" will be incorporated into new production. Hypothetically speaking, lets examine a lowly spring. Not a coil spring, those are easy, but a torsion spring with three loops, one leg sticking out an inch with a bend in it and a nub foot at the end, the other leg jutting at a weird angle. Quite honestly, those are a real pain in the rosette to get right, regardless of the automation used. And it has to have the right tension... so the wire alloy, diameters, all of that will need some getting used to. That's the kind of thing that might take, off an on, a few weeks to do. Now inject "The Ruger Way". Why was the spring shaped as it was? Because it moves part X against part Y. Why is part X so weird that it needs a strangulation of a spring? Well, that's the only way they could make part X with available technology when it was designed, so they just kept making it. Ruger may come in and say, hey, we can make this much simpler, use a simple spring, and get better performance to boot. That's The Ruger Way, a holdover from Bill Ruger's philosophy of making things: Simple, strong, and inexpensive to produce.

So.... time will tell.

I suspect they will need to engineer how to make their casting process work. I also suspect there will be more MIM to keep costs down

Goosey said:

I think we will see a Marlin with MLOK forend. I'm calling it now. These things are really popular at the moment and Ruger seems to have their finger on the market.

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Ah yes. The MAR-1595.

BBarn said:

I would guess that what Ruger does with the Marlin line depends heavily on the condition/usability/suitability of the machinery and tooling acquired in the purchase.

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Did they buy all of that or just the name? I would assume Ruger will stick with basic model for now, especially since the demand for Marlin levers is low compared to regular Ruger models. .....and yes, I'd bet on a "tacticool" model lever being produced.