Review of my Baker Rifle (indian repro)

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So as some of you may recall, early last year I had decided on getting a Baker Rifle. I found a site Veteran Arms, they sold a Indian repro of the Baker but there was a 12 week wait. Which I was fine with. It was a long wait however and it was only this recent December I got it (Covid's fault).

Anyway, I felt really compelled to give this review. As this rifle (or rather musket, because it's smoothbore) has been a big disappointment to me.
So first off, this is my first functional flintlock. First time I ever shot it (And only time currently) there was a massive delay between the shots. I still need to control my flinch but I intend on fixing that as time goes by. Couldn't hit anything. Only fired it 4 times, and the last shot I couldn't fire (it's still loaded in the rifle). It was too gummed up or something but i had to take it home and clean it, and shortly after I had to go back to Texas so that's where I am now.

Look wise, the rifle looks fine. It's a beautiful weapon. I blued the barrel myself which adds uniqueness and more historical accuracy to it.
The main problems is in the lock work. 'Half cock' was really just "90% of the way" cock and the trigger can still be pulled at that position. There is a gap between the flash hole and pan which makes powder prone to getting into the action. A huge disappointment and turn off for me as someone who's never been into flintlocks before.
Right now the lock doesn't even work correctly because when I put it into full cock, it falls back down to half cock. But when I take the lock out of the gun, it functions fine. So it needs more wood working inside the action.
The worst part for me though is the smell the paint/laquer that was on the wood when it arrived. First day I opened it, there was this strong weird smell on the rifle which I noticed was the red layer on the stock. After a few hours I got a severe migrane. A few weeks ago I sanded off this paint layer and it defintately is better now although there's still traces of the smell. This is perhaps the biggest reason why this rifle is a turn off for me. I don't even like handling it.

I apologize for the bad review. I just didn't expect this would be such a disappointing purchase for me. Usually when we buy a new rifle, we fall in love with it but this time around, I was already in love with it before I bought it, and after I had it, I started to hate it.

Lesson learned: Don't buy muskets from India
 
What do you plan to do with it? I have some experience with the India locks, may be able to resolve some of the problems.

Honestly was considering trading it, maybe someone in this forum is in the DFW area and would trade me sometihng. But if someone like you could work on it that'd be great too. I was hoping it'd be "clock work" but man was I wrong.
 
I looks good in your pic. I hope you can get the lock ironed out and get it shooting and cocking properly.

Yea i agree. And as weird as it sounds, the thing i'm still most concerned about is the strong paint smell. Maybe I have sensitive smell but it drives me crazy whenever I handle it. I bought sandpaper today, maybe i'll have another go on the stock and apply polyuthene on it.
 
Have you contacted Veteran Arms about the lock's functionality? What did they say?

Re the smell, you may need to strip the finish off the stock and then redo it. I would wait on that until hearing back from the seller about the lock, though.
 
If there is any residue of the original finish left, be careful about putting polyurethane over it. It can react with some other finish types and make a real mess. If it still stinks, there is probably some of the original finish that soaked into the grain of the wood. Always find a small inconspicuous spot on the gun to experiment with your new finish. Good Luck and Thanks for the Warning!!!
 
The stuff I have found on the Indie locks is springs way too strong and improperly heat treated parts that either wear really fast or break. You can PM me if you want me to check it out in more detail.
Thanks.
 
Really, don't put any poly-anything on it. Just some good dark stain, then some Danish Oil, and the wood will look really nice. Be careful sanding so that the metal work does not end up standing proud.

I would pull the lock, and send it to someone who can rebuild it. Then somehow you have to get it flush to the barrel. Powder getting into the lock recess can cause excitement and damage. If you have to send it out to have that done, hey, do it. Can't have a gap between pan and barrel. Like Desidog says, an Indian lock is going to need some tuning, to say the least.

Then I'd send the barrel off to someone and have it rifled. I think that if you did all that, you could end up with a nice rifle. Like a cheap lawyer or cheap doctor, you don't need a cheap rifle. I believe that if you put some money into the India guns, they can be saved/made into pretty good arms. Out of the box, don't think there's a lot of satisfaction.
 
It's a good bet this man knows his stuff. A lot of his videos cover stock refinishing. These are just a few of his videos. They cover a lot of other stuff so you have to bear with it and use only the info you need.

I think you need to use lacquer thinner first and then hit it with a scraper to get down to the wood before sanding.

Be aware if this stock is made of teak wood the dust from teak is more toxic to the lungs than other woods. A suitable mask may be in order.





 
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Lesson learned: Don't buy muskets from India

Actually the lesson is don't buy Baker Rifles from that seller....,

IF you had bought a singe lemon of a car, would you have learned not to buy American made automobiles?

I currently own four muskets with parts made in India. They look good, and they function great.
The crudest of the four is my tradegun. Seems to work well..., I painted my stock with oil paint in an 18th century pigment as a lot of tradeguns were done that way..., more durable too...

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You purchased one of the most cantankerous repros from India, the Baker Rifle, which just about everybody in the USA that I know who have purchased one (albeit from a different vendor) has retrofitted with a .62 Colerain barrel. They are not all from the same source in India, either.

I'd suggest instead of proclaiming them all universally bad, you would have better spent your money on an Artillery Carbine from Loyalist Arms LLC in Canada. Still a smoothbore, and still short, like your Baker.

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That's kind of why I'm thinking, since the India guns are universally inexpensive, it seems logical to put the extra money into them to create a good rifle or musket. I know it's difficult to get any good working flintlock for cheap, no matter who makes it. You just aren't going to get a $1500-$2000 flintlock rifle for $600. There's a guy on Youtube that has a business converting India guns into nice guns, then sells them. Goes through the whole gun and makes everything nice. Don't know what he sells them for. Looks like he does great work.

Unless that barrel on that Baker is seamed water pipe, I believe it would cost less to have it rifled, than to purchase a Colerain barrel. I'm sure there's some major fitting to be done to get the Colerain to fit. That could be outsourced I suppose, and perhaps a good time to have the lock fitted properly at the same time. ?? But bottom line, heck, put $500 or more into it and have a nice rifle that you love and enjoy. Maybe just send it to a good rifle maker, and tell him what you want done. In the long run, well worth it.
 
That's kind of why I'm thinking, since the India guns are universally inexpensive, it seems logical to put the extra money into them to create a good rifle or musket. I know it's difficult to get any good working flintlock for cheap, no matter who makes it. You just aren't going to get a $1500-$2000 flintlock rifle for $600. There's a guy on Youtube that has a business converting India guns into nice guns, then sells them. Goes through the whole gun and makes everything nice. Don't know what he sells them for. Looks like he does great work.

Unless that barrel on that Baker is seamed water pipe, I believe it would cost less to have it rifled, than to purchase a Colerain barrel. I'm sure there's some major fitting to be done to get the Colerain to fit. That could be outsourced I suppose, and perhaps a good time to have the lock fitted properly at the same time. ?? But bottom line, heck, put $500 or more into it and have a nice rifle that you love and enjoy. Maybe just send it to a good rifle maker, and tell him what you want done. In the long run, well worth it.

So it's a project gun from the start? No matter how much you pay for it ?

Honestly realizing I got really lucky on that 1863 Springfield I bought. The gun works really good and doesn't have any farby markings. Got it for only $250
 
So I took it apart and the lock works fine outside the rifle.
It's something wrong with the wood.
I sanded the stock again and just applied two coats of a old favorite, Olive oil.
Will need to find a tool to wittle away the wood inside the lock cavity.
 
So it's a project gun from the start? No matter how much you pay for it ?


Yes, the price you paid for that would put it in the project-gun category. I don't know if anyone makes a quality Baker reproduction, (I don't know of one) but one that was of Pedersoli or Uberti quality would probably be around $1200, and really outstanding flintlock rifles are going to be in the $1500 and up price range. (some exceptions I'm sure) If you put $500 into it, you would be doing "okay" and wind up with a really nice rifle, and be about what you would pay for a really good rifle in the first place. That's assuming that any wood to metal fit is "fixable", and again, the barrel is not water pipe or something like that. If you write it off as a loss, you'll be behind and no Baker rifle, or stuck with a rifle you hate. If you start over, you'll still have to spend well over $700 to get a decent Baker.

"British Muzzleloaders" has a couple or so videos on the Baker Rifle. In one of them he addresses the issue of getting/making or obtaining a non-original Baker rifle. I don't remember what all he said about that, but google it and it may help.
 
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