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JTHunter said:
what should I possibly expect as a failure of this gun?
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The extractor always gets brought up not so much because it breaks often but because when it breaks, it is not an easy fix because if is riveted on. Gunsmiths who blueprint Rem 700 actions have to careful when truing the bolt face on a lathe to not hit the extractor as it cannot easily be removed for this process like many other makes and models of bolt action rifles.

Others often cite the extractor being a theoretical problem because of is small size which equates to lower strength. This argument often comes up when comparing the 700 to a Mauser type action in the context of dangerous game hunting. In the end it is very uncommon for 700 extractors to fail completely. More often, there are feeding problems related to the extractor that require some tweaking rather than replacement. However the OPs problem is hard to ignore especially after such a low round count.

Which brings up another thing to note. The 700 was an economy design from its inception. It replaced the 721/722 which was also an economy design to replace the model 30. The model 30 had a big beefy extractor as it was essentially a 1917 rifle. Being an economy design of an economy design does not necessarily make it bad. The Savage 110 that came out a few years before the 700 debuted was a very similarly designed action. As far as Savage 10/110 type actions go, I have no specific complaints other than they just “feel” cheap. Nonetheless, it is pretty obvious the extractor was a major part of the so-called fat that was trimmed when Remington designed the successor to the Model 30.

More recent 700s with further cost cutting measure in play has caused all kinds of grittiness and slop in the bolt cycle from burrs and worn out tooling.

On a gun 30 or more years old, the main problems that comes to mind is the Walker trigger and then possibly feeding problems because of the extractor.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
The Savage 110 that came out a few years before the 700 debuted was a very similarly designed action. As far as Savage 10/110 type actions go, I have no specific complaints other than they just “feel” cheap.
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The Savage is only "cheap" to the extent that a well made forged Kalashnikov is "cheap" compared to an AR-15. The difference is that the Savage is every bit as accurate as the Remington, and in many ways, easier to deal with, especially as a long range target rifle.

I suppose you can argue that a Savage 112BVSS isn't as "pretty" as a Remington 40X, but I've had ZERO problems with my Savage as opposed to the various problems my Remington owning friends have.

I've got a friend who has both a 10FP and a Remington Model 7. That I know of, he hasn't had problems with the Remington, but it's a hunting rifle that gets used at most a few times a year, whereas the 10FP gets shot a lot... also with no problems.
 
Crosshair said:
Easy. Because you won't feel bad about throwing the old parts away. :p
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:rofl:
earlthegoat2 said:
Others often cite the extractor being a theoretical problem because of is small size which equates to lower strength. This argument often comes up when comparing the 700 to a Mauser type action in the context of dangerous game hunting. In the end it is very uncommon for 700 extractors to fail completely. More often, there are feeding problems related to the extractor that require some tweaking rather than replacement.
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Deanimator said:
The Savage is only "cheap" to the extent that a well made forged Kalashnikov is "cheap" compared to an AR-15. The difference is that the Savage is every bit as accurate as the Remington, and in many ways, easier to deal with, especially as a long range target rifle.

I suppose you can argue that a Savage 112BVSS isn't as "pretty" as a Remington 40X, but I've had ZERO problems with my Savage as opposed to the various problems my Remington owning friends have.
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Dale Alan said:
Have you had problems with YOUR Remingtons ?
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The only centerfire Remington I ever owned was the 40XC, which is just a 700 action used by Rem. custom shop to built a very nice "cross the course" bolt gun. Accuracy was on a par with the custom pre-64 Mod. 70 match rifles I've owned and the flat, pot bellied forend was excellent for offhand shooting. Only factory defect I had was the very first round, out of the box being a "FORS" (my finger was nowhere near the trigger at the time, and if there was any foreign matter in the trigger, it was installed by the custom shop).

Never had an issue with the extractor other than self-induced failure to feed during rapid fire when I short stroked the bolt (but I probably didn't shoot over a couple thousand rounds before sending it down the road). My match rifles had always been control round feed up until acquiring the Remington and I often stopped short of chambering any round that felt like it might have been a bolt override during RF to be sure bolt had picked up a round......you can't get away with that w/any push feed rifle. As has been pointed out, 2000 rounds would equal several hunting rifle lifetimes.:)

Never shot a Savage in XTC competition, and can't remember seeing any on the line "back in the day". Always used my XTC rifles in all of the long range matches and the few F class matches I participated in, but picked up a .223 FP10 when I started predator hunting and the Savage accuracy was stellar. The only drawback I could see (for XTC matches) might be that the action is not quite as smooth as either the Remington or the Mod. 70's, which would be a slight handicap in the rapid fire strings, but no issue in slow fire. I'm reasonably sure the FP10 would "slick up" after enough use. The 338 WM 110?, pre-accutrigger bolt (which I acquired used) is a lot smoother than the new FP, probably due to quite a lot of use. (My #1 Mod. 70, with > 150,000 bolt cycles is one of the slickest actions I've ever used.)

Regards,
hps
 
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JTHunter said:
With a ~35 y.o. rifle that has had less than 700 rounds fired through it, what should I possibly expect as a failure of this gun?
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Realistically nothing. Time doesn't really do anything to a gun metal so long as it isn't rusting. Leather slings might dry out or rot I suppose.

I would swap out the Walker trigger as a safety issue. Yours may have never given trouble but the design flaw is known and all Walker triggers can have an unintended discharge. Xmark pro is the factory replacement, it's okay and can get them cheap from lots of online sources. If you want to invest in the gun I would go with a Timney.

I would also look at upgrading optics if you are using a 35 year old scope. Glass is so much better today! Much clearer and most all models have more eye relief these days.
 
I have owned and used Remington rifles and shotguns for a long time. With a dealer in the family we've had a lot of them pass through our hands. In recent years the fit and finish quality has gone down substantially with new guns having rust and misfit/improperly aligned parts somewhat common. I personally have steered people to other brands of late. I am hopeful the new owners of the brand can get their products back up to the quality with which they once were associated.
 
Deanimator said:
The Savage is only "cheap" to the extent that a well made forged Kalashnikov is "cheap" compared to an AR-15. The difference is that the Savage is every bit as accurate as the Remington, and in many ways, easier to deal with, especially as a long range target rifle.

I suppose you can argue that a Savage 112BVSS isn't as "pretty" as a Remington 40X, but I've had ZERO problems with my Savage as opposed to the various problems my Remington owning friends have.

I've got a friend who has both a 10FP and a Remington Model 7. That I know of, he hasn't had problems with the Remington, but it's a hunting rifle that gets used at most a few times a year, whereas the 10FP gets shot a lot... also with no problems.
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I'm a Savage fan. I really like that they offer quite a few left hand models. I have them in 17 HMR, 204 Ruger, 243 and 6.5 CM. All have been excellent rifles for a reasonable price.
 
irishlad said:
I'm a Savage fan. I really like that they offer quite a few left hand models. I have them in 17 HMR, 204 Ruger, 243 and 6.5 CM. All have been excellent rifles for a reasonable price.
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I have no place to shoot a rifle now, only recently had the money again to do so, and don't know any serious rifle shooters anymore (they all moved out of Ohio), but if I were to buy another long range gun, it'd be a Savage in 6.5mm Creedmore.
 
hps1 said:
Never shot a Savage in XTC competition, and can't remember seeing any on the line "back in the day". Always used my XTC rifles in all of the long range matches and the few F class matches I participated in, but picked up a .223 FP10 when I started predator hunting and the Savage accuracy was stellar. The only drawback I could see (for XTC matches) might be that the action is not quite as smooth as either the Remington or the Mod. 70's, which would be a slight handicap in the rapid fire strings, but no issue in slow fire. I'm reasonably sure the FP10 would "slick up" after enough use. The 338 WM 110?, pre-accutrigger bolt (which I acquired used) is a lot smoother than the new FP, probably due to quite a lot of use. (My #1 Mod. 70, with > 150,000 bolt cycles is one of the slickest actions I've ever used.)
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I never contemplated using my Savages for across the course, just long range. I reserved my Garand for across the course. Before my finances collapsed and I lost interest, I might have purchased an M1A for that. I eventually built an AR-15, but only for self-defense from a specific threat.

I've never shot a Savage with an AccuTrigger. My 10FP and 112BVSS have Sharp Shooter and Canjar single set triggers respectively. I can't praise the Sharp Shooter too highly. I don't know if they're still in business. They were out in western Ohio. I like the Canjar, but the adjustment on the set kept backing off. It just needed some LocTite.
 
Deanimator said:
I have no place to shoot a rifle now, only recently had the money again to do so, and don't know any serious rifle shooters anymore (they all moved out of Ohio), but if I were to buy another long range gun, it'd be a Savage in 6.5mm Creedmore.
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I bought the 110 Tactical Desert 6.5 CM, I like it a lot.

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