Dale Alan
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I notice the negative threads are quite popular ,
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I have several 870's and 700's, along with a old nylon 66 and model 11. They are all older, and they work fine. That said, the Ruger American is an excellent performing rifle, esp. at such a reasonable price (I have 2), my Ruger 10-22 is far superior to the nylon, and my Mossberg 930 will outperform the 870's and the model 11 (and is also much more versatile with extra barrels and screw in chokes). In the end, it doesn't really matter- the sun doesn't rise and set on one brand, since others are making similar firearms with the same or better level of performance at more than competitive prices.
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The subject is Remington QC.
SwampWolf
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If I could find one at a "decent" price, I'd get a Model 725; Remington's finest centerfire, bolt-action sporting rifle ever made (imo 
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LOL Same here. I started with a Savage 110. It was a hunting "package gun." Took to a gun smith, had it bedded, trigger worked on (pre accu trigger), free floated barrel, with used International rear sight and Anschut front globe sight. Takes FN stripper clips. Filed away some of the mag follower and inletted some of the wood out from under the mag to get the 5th round in. Retained the factory stock and barrel.
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Some people are just so enamored of a name that they're willing to pay S&W Triple Lock prices for Chinese "mystery pistol" levels of quality.
It's their money... and hands and eyes...
"X company will go out of business if we don't buy the junk they half-heartedly throw together!" is a supremely unpersuasive argument.
If a company's product requires me to fix it before it's merchantable, it ought to be so priced. Firearms News has plenty of ads for "fixer upper" surplus Enfields, Berthiers, etc. They're priced appropriately.
Outside factors aside, if they make a decent product, and sell it for a decent price, they won't GO out of business. If they DON'T, then they OUGHT to go out of business.
I don't owe ANY company my business, ESPECIALLY when my life is on the line. They have to EARN my money, just like I did.
borrowedtime69
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I bought a new Remington 700 ADL in .223 about 6 years ago or so. Not accurate. I sold it and bought a less expensive Savage Axis in .223, never regretted that decision. That Savage was dead on with the Nikon scope I put on it. I will not buy a Remington again unless it was an older one.
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When I wanted to get seriously into long range, as opposed to just trying it out with a converted M1917, I went straight to Savage, mostly on the basis of price. It came down to a choice between Savage and Howa, and I found more feedback on Savage. At the time (early 2,000s) there weren't a lot of long range accessories (especially stocks) for Savages. After trying out a polymer "sniper" stock for the 10FP, I went with Savage's laminated varmint stock, on both it and my 112BVSS. I had a smith inlet both for forend rails for a handstop and swivel, and had bases for Redfield International rears and fronts, as well as inclined scope mounts (for 1,000 yard elevation) installed.
The 10FP has a Sharp Shooter target trigger, the 112BVSS a Canjar single set.
Both of those rifles FAR exceeded my expectations.
Assume your 1917 was a 30-06. Did see a few 1917 custom rifles in the 80's, especially at the 1000 yd matches. I went w/the 30-06 from the git-go in spite of all the hype of "the inherent" accuracy of the 308. Dave Sullivan of Westwind Rifles assured me that he could build a 30-06 every bit as accurate as any 308.....and he did....several times over. Had plentiful supply of 06 brass, loading setup, etc, so not a hard choice.
The 40XC, of course, was a 308 and it shot very well, but no advantage over the 06 and the Remington extractor, FORS issue out of the box from custom shop, and a couple of short strokes on the bolt in rapid fire, sent the Remington down the road. The flat bottomed w/deep bellied forend was an improvement for offhand, but could achieve the same effect w/standard stock shooting off clenched fist.
When I took up predator hunting, I chose a 223 FP10 and it was a tack driver out of the box; gotta love that accutrigger. The FP10 is a great platform.
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Yes, it was a .30-06. I prefer heavy bullets in the .30-06 for long range. I use nothing but the Sierra 200gr. Matchking. The combination of those over 4350 simply doesn't exist commercially. Almost everything is 168gr., with MAYBE some 190gr. or 175gr. loads. The advantage of .30-06 over .308 for long range is that you can push a heavier bullet, even the lighter 175s and 190s, faster, without beating the crap out of the gun. My 112BVSS is in .30-06. If I'd been in long range long enough to shoot the throat out, I'd have had it rechambered to .30-06 Improved.
Back in the '80s and '90s, Brits and Aussies were doing a lot of long range competition using P-14s, both in .303 and converted to .308. Some of them were shooting way out past 1,000 yards.
It is frustrating dealing with brand names. In print shills make you think there is some sort of historical continuity between Rem1.0 and Rem 2.0, but the fact is, Rem 2.0 is a totally new entity, and does not accept any of the liability from the old organization. Rem 2.0 wants you to buy new, Rem 2.0 products. So, it is not in their economic interest to offer parts for Rem 1.0 models. Rem 3.0 will do the same thing, and this is an endless cycle.
I have a Rem M721 and I purchased an extra bolt with a SAKO extractor conversion. Installing the bolt, I noticed that there is nothing preventing the extractor from blowing out of the receiver ring, given a large enough gas leak. Based on the number of reports of shooters who lost eyeballs with SAKO extractor conversions, I know the SAKO type extractor will blow out right into the shooter's eye. I have looked where that extractor is, and there is absolutely nothing supporting it, or keeping it put.
And that is the same for an M16 extractor. The market is now offering M16 extractor conversions, and lots of people are buying, because the M16 extractor is "Mil Spec". Well it is mil spec in an AR15/M16. It is not a mil spec application in a Rem 700 bolt face, and I am very skeptical that the things will stay in, any better than the SAKO extractor, given enough gas release.
Lets look at the mil spec application:this is an AR15 bolt, the extractor held in place by a pin
this is the bolt in the bolt carrier
bolt in battery
no barrel extension to hide a fully forward bolt inside ring of upper, so you can see something is behind the extractor when the bolt is in battery.
bolt in locked configuration, inside bolt carrier
With Stoner's design, the extractor body is well inside the carrier, and the part of the extractor in the barrel extension is well supported. Only a little bit is between the carrier and extension when the lugs are in engagement. And the extractor is not orientated toward the ejection port. This extractor in its original useage, is going to be very hard to blow out of an AR15 if there is a massive gas release. (But, never say never)
There are lots of bad kabooms where a M16/AR15 bolt head is cracked apart and the extractor blew out, but short of extreme events, an M16 extractor is going to stay inside the gun.
Look Ma! No carrier! This is a blowup picture from the web. I have no idea why the extractor stayed in, once the carrier disappeared. But, I will bet, without a carrier, that extractor would have taken off, first thing.
Yes the M16 extractor may be military, but those M700 bolt face conversions are using that extractor very differently from Stoner's military rifle. Stoner's rifle provided a lot of support for that extractor. But, some believe, that just because something is "Mil Spec", that makes it magic.
Take a military claw hammer and an identical civilian claw hammer and hit yourself in the head with both. Feel any magic with the military claw hammer.? Probably not.
I don't have a M700 with a M16 extractor, but I don't see anything other than some small cross pin keeping it in place in a M700 bolt. Just like the SAKO extractor, it is right in line with the right receiver bolt lug opening, with nothing but air above. And I am going to say, until I see some real test evidence that cross pin will keep that extractor from blowing out of a M700 receiver ring, I have no desire to install one on a M700 bolt. Mike Walker designed one of the strongest, safest actions, the trade off was, a dinky, puny little extractor that wears.
And central to his design was the three rings that encircle the case head.
Before I would install anyone's SAKO, M16, extractors, I would find an original M700 extractor, and put that in. It is not worth risking an eyeball based on a bunch unsubstantiated safety claims by gunsmiths making SAKO and M16 extractor conversions. And if you have to pay a gunsmith to have it installed, pay the gunsmith.
And, keep the space between the extractor and bolt face clean. And, don't load super hot loads that expand the case head, as that will break the extractor blade. And, don't create reloads that create sticky extraction. Sticky extraction will stress the extractor as it wrenches a case out of the chamber. The Remington extractor is a tiny piece of steel, it will break in time, the more you stress it, the sooner it will break. It is far better to have the fired case fall out of the chamber, and use the extractor only to push the case head against the side of the bolt face.
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I have three 700’s and a model 7. I think I will keep them.
illinoisburt
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It's not an expensive or difficult part to install. You can always get the extractor from a gunsmith (the real kind that makes things, not just installing parts) if they aren't being distributed by Big Green.
https://pacifictoolandgauge.com/misc-remington-parts/9810-remington-extractor-std.html
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My 700's and 870's have all been very reliable, my 700's probably shoot better than I am capable of shooting, but I dont see myself buying anything new from Rem Arms, my dad carried an M40 in Vietnam and the stories he told me as a kid always stuck with me and if a rem 700 was good enough for him and kept him alive through all of that, than for sure they should serve me well, but these days with bean counters in control, I am not so sure of that. I think I will find a new brand to support.
Airborne Falcon
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I gave up on Remington long ago. I had a large Sportsman 58 collection that I sold to a collector up in NY and that was it for Remington and me except for this 1911 I have of theirs and an 870 stashed away in the corner of the foyer closet. Sold my 700 with the 5Rc probably 15 years ago or there abouts.
They were such a great company at one time. One of the oldest in the country. Boy oh boy did Cerberus screw-them-up or what. But truth be known they were headed downhill even before Cerberus stepped-in.
Great link, guess I need to stock up while these are still available!
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That sucks. the only Remington I own is a Nylon 66. It doesn't feed reliably. LOL!
For a lot of reasons, I've black listed them also. It's a shame.
For a lot of reasons, I've black listed them also. It's a shame.
irishlad
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I bought a left hand 11-87 when they first came out. Been a great shotgun. Thousands of 3" duck loads through it. I did replace the bolt last year, old one had cracked. Bought an 870 Express 12 gauge when it first came out too. No issues with it. I would buy a new 870 Express 20 gauge if they become available.
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earlthegoat2
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What did you get?
I actually just acquired a new (to me) Remington. If you pick them carefully, they are pretty good.
This one is from the late 1940s.
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Pudge
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All but one of my deer rifles are Remingtons. A 700, a 760, a 141, and an 03A3. All are fantastic. The 700 will stack up the holes, the 03A3 is like nothing else, and I watched my dad shoot it for years, it'll be with me until I leave this world. The 760 and 141 are fine, no love, but lots of l like, some old school character for sure. I even have an R51 that has been utterly reliable. But no brand loyalty from me. Give me quality for my dollars, don't rely on nostalgia.
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JTHunter
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After reading this thread, I have a question that someone here may be able to answer.
In the late 80s, I bought a very slightly used 700 BDL in .243. The seller said that less than one box of shells had been run through it at that time. In testing it with factory ammo (terrible !) and later, my reloads, I may have put 500 rounds through the gun. Unfortunately, my option to use it for hunting evaporated and it hasn't been fired in 20 years. I do NOT intend on getting rid of it as the accuracy with my reloads is remarkable.
That being said, the question I have for you gunsmiths is this: With a ~35 y.o. rifle that has had less than 700 rounds fired through it, what should I possibly expect as a failure of this gun? The extractor as some have already mentioned or some other failure? With nothing wrong now, if I were to take it to a gunsmith to tear down and examine various internal parts (trigger, sear, firing pin, retaining pins, etc.), would the 'smith even be able to find anything that he could do "preventative maintenance" on now?
Thanks.
In the late 80s, I bought a very slightly used 700 BDL in .243. The seller said that less than one box of shells had been run through it at that time. In testing it with factory ammo (terrible !) and later, my reloads, I may have put 500 rounds through the gun. Unfortunately, my option to use it for hunting evaporated and it hasn't been fired in 20 years. I do NOT intend on getting rid of it as the accuracy with my reloads is remarkable.
That being said, the question I have for you gunsmiths is this: With a ~35 y.o. rifle that has had less than 700 rounds fired through it, what should I possibly expect as a failure of this gun? The extractor as some have already mentioned or some other failure? With nothing wrong now, if I were to take it to a gunsmith to tear down and examine various internal parts (trigger, sear, firing pin, retaining pins, etc.), would the 'smith even be able to find anything that he could do "preventative maintenance" on now?
Thanks.
That’s a good question, I was thinking about this Remington and the broken extractor earlier today when I was enroute to the shop. I probably had ten boxes or less through that gun. I shoot at a couple of ranges in Texas, no hunting at this time. So let’s say my extractor broke at 200 rounds. Let’s also say in a hypothetical situation, a hunter sights in his gun for the season, maybe 5 shots, then bags a deer, maybe 2 or 3. Then it goes back in the safe until the following year. Eight rounds a year works out to 25 years of use. Can’t really complain about that. I think the one thing that irritated me the most was their refusal to honor their warranty and parts being unavailable.
OTOH you have firearms like the Browning BT-99, or the 1911 and AR-15 made by every Tom Dick & Harry that last thousands of rounds. Just my two pennies.
OTOH you have firearms like the Browning BT-99, or the 1911 and AR-15 made by every Tom Dick & Harry that last thousands of rounds. Just my two pennies.
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