Has anybody seen a case head look like this before

Cartoucherie de Toulouse
TE = Cartoucherie de Toulouse, Toulouse, France (cartridge factory in Toulouse) - refers to the manufacturer

D = Société Electromécanique de Dives (Electromechanical Company in Dives, France) - refers to the case provider

3 = the third quarter of production (2nd quarter)

58 = the year of production

Rule3 said:

Cartoucherie de Toulouse
TE = Cartoucherie de Toulouse, Toulouse, France (cartridge factory in Toulouse) - refers to the manufacturer

D = Société Electromécanique de Dives (Electromechanical Company in Dives, France) - refers to the case provider

3 = the third quarter of production (2nd quarter)

58 = the year of production

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That is interesting. The French military were making 30-06 cases in 1958! I wonder what weapons they were using them in.

Slamfire said:

That is interesting. The French military were making 30-06 cases in 1958! I wonder what weapons they were using them in.

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M1917 maybe?

Might be from grandpa's ammo collection that was stolen and blasted away!

Who else shoots "vintage" ammo?

Smiles,

Between 1950 and 1964 France received a quarter million M1 Garand rifles from the US.

The deep ring around the primer pocket is interesting.

Original military Italian Carcano cartridge casings have a deep ring around the cartridge head for a reason unknown to me. I have a few 6.5x52 Carcano casings made by trimming 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenhauer casings, resizing in a Carcano dies, and cutting the ring in the cartridge head. I have been curious about why that was done. It is not just a deep crimp around the primer, but a distinct groove in the cartridge head. None of the commercial Carcano cartridge cases have it (not Norma, PPU, FNM, nor Graf).

Carl N. Brown said:

Between 1950 and 1964 France received a quarter million M1 Garand rifles from the US.

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How many M1919 Browning Machine Guns did they get? The ring around the primer to me indicates belted ammo for machine guns.

Wikipedia lists France and The French Foreign Legion as recipients of Browning M1919 machineguns and postwar users, but no details.

The ring around the primer was first done for the japanese Murata rifle. Was supposed to prevent striking of primer in a tube mag. Not sure why the French would do that.

Carl N. Brown said:

Between 1950 and 1964 France received a quarter million M1 Garand rifles from the US.

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I want them back.

Interesting corollary, FN made Mausers that were chambered in 30-06, some were for Belgium home use and some for export. And they made commercial variants as well.

The ring around the primer was also employed by the French in the 1886 Lebel rifle. That rifle also had a linear tube magazine like many lever action rifles, called 'Kropatchek' but the magazine system was not designed by him. Don't ask me. That does not sound reasonable in any rifle using a 'stacked' magazine. The crimp concept seems more logical to me.

You better get with the Vietnamese about them then.

Captcurt said:

I want them back.

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Probably the Algerians too.

I have a few USGI cartridges like that in my collection that have that deep ring around the primer.. I read someplace that they were loaded for use in aircraft machine-guns. Whatever, they are interesting!

Bcwitt said:

The ring around the primer was first done for the japanese Murata rifle. Was supposed to prevent striking of primer in a tube mag. Not sure why the French would do that.

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Their level rifles had a tube magazine and the groove was to keep the pointed bullet from contacting the primer in the cartridge ahead.to prevent a chain explosion in the rifle

You learn something everyday!

Bcwitt said:

The ring around the primer was first done for the japanese Murata rifle. Was supposed to prevent striking of primer in a tube mag. Not sure why the French would do that.

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They're the ones who started it, for the Lebel. (not level)

And everyone knows the Murata is for killing arachnids.

Not sure about the '06 loads, but French .30 carbine headstamped "ve" from that era is corrosive as hell! I darn near lost a bbl on an original M1A1 using that stuff..........my research into the loading indicated that the corrosive mix in their primers was a reliability choice for tropical climate use...........dunno know about that with certainty, but I can assure you the stuff is like termites to wood!..........